Player Discussion: Connor Hellebuyck

[Jets4Life]

Both got a contract neither earned is the head scratcher part.

This issue was addressed a couple of months ago on this thread. I don't have time to look for it, but it will clearly show of the seven or eight NHL goaltenders who are making between $5.75 million and $6.5 million per season, Hellebuyck has the 2nd best career stats, so he certainly deserves his contract.

Every goalie goes through rough patches. Especially if the defence is as suspect as it is with the Jets. It's worth noting that for the past two seasons, Hellebuyck has been lights out down the stretch, beginning in March.

 

[Jets 31]

Brossoit hasn't been good at all. Hellebuyck needs to sort out his mental game right now. Probably needs a break but Brossoit isn't too reliable right now. I'd give him the Minnesota game (Brossoit).

I actually would go right back to Helly against Minnesota to get the bad taste of last night gone . Like you say Brossoit hasn't exactly been lights out either .

 

[KingBogo]

Okay, lets all hope last night was the bottom out of Helly's recent streak of less than stellar play. It is great when he steals a game, but it as equally frustrating when the goalie's play gives you no chance of winning. Helly has now dropped down to 12th with a .919 SV%. If he can hold it here or ideally nudge it up closer to .925 SV% we will be okay. Saying that, I'd throw him back in on Saturday and bet on him playing lights out.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Obviously Helle’s low water mark.
Can’t get too upset as he’s stolen quite a few for us.
I couldn’t finish watching after Perrault’s usual penalty.
Hate seeing us lose to Montreal and Toronto.
I’m expecting Helle to bounce back like he usually does.

 

[Ducky10]

Are you seriously asking why his recent play is more important than it was months ago?
Maybe because id prefer to see consistency or an uptrend not a downtrend lol. Are you telling me if Laine scored 30 goals in the first two months then zero the next two months that wouldnt be concerning to you?
That has to be one of the silliest posts ive ever seen on here.

You valuing a 10 game sample over the previous sample is silly. It’s classic cherry picking, but it’s kind of what you do so I’m not surprised.
I don’t love his play right now but I’m not all that concerned. His level of play this year has been far more good than bad but it was never going to be consistently .930. It’s not going to be consistently sub .900 either, relax.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Both got a contract neither earned is the head scratcher part.

Still pav. Any time the two goalies are compared it loses credibility. If you said based on last night he is overpaid okay I can see your point and have a debate. When u immediately go to pav it’s a head scratcher . I’d still say even if u said Helly is overpaid he is still the best this club has ever had.

 

[AlphaLackey]

You valuing a 10 game sample over the previous sample is silly. It’s classic cherry picking, but it’s kind of what you do so I’m not surprised.
I don’t love his play right now but I’m not all that concerned. His level of play this year has been far more good than bad but it was never going to be consistently .930. It’s not going to be consistently sub .900 either, relax.

Vasilevski, who won the Vezina last year with a .925, played 53 games. That's 39 possible 15-game stretches. They ranged from league average (.911) to otherworldly (.948); you'll find this variance with every NHL caliber goalie.

Through *nothing more than chance alone* a Vezina winner's 15 game stretch will have about a 1-in-6 chance of being about league average. So for a typical NHL goalie, yeah, that's about 5-7 times a year where you'll look back at their last 15 games and go "ugh wtf is going on?"

Like we first hand saw this phenomenon play out in the other statistical direction with Hutchinson. SURELY this would be a cautionary tale we take to our graves?

 

[AlphaLackey]

Still pav. Any time the two goalies are compared it loses credibility. If you said based on last night he is overpaid okay I can see your point and have a debate. When u immediately go to pav it’s a head scratcher . I’d still say even if u said Helly is overpaid he is still the best this club has ever had.

His save percent over his career put him barely above the 1st percentile. I know we love our exaggeration here but it is ASTOUNDINGLY difficult to underestimate just how bad a starter he was. Whatever the opposite of a generational talent is. A degenerational talent, if you will.

 

[NotCommitted]

Connor has most starts in the league and looking at the season as a whole he's been excellent. The workload is heavy though... Brossoit should step it up so they could play the backup a bit more.

 

[Adam da bomb]

His save percent over his career put him barely above the 1st percentile. I know we love our exaggeration here but it is ASTOUNDINGLY difficult to underestimate just how bad a starter he was. Whatever the opposite of a generational talent is. A degenerational talent, if you will.

You may as well compare Laine to Stafford because hey they both played on our 2nd line at one point.

 

[AlphaLackey]

You may as well compare Laine to Stafford because hey they both played on our 2nd line at one point.

I like the way you're thinking and I'm really getting it, but Stafford is WAY too good for that analogy. I'm thinking Christ Horburn.

 

[Shakey Rustie]

With Niku called up, the Jets currently have 6 defencemen making $1,000,000.00 or less on the roster, and the sad part is half of them play better than Kulikov. No team can win with that lack of commitment or emphasis to their blueline.

I can't put any blame on anyone really, the Byfuglien situation was not foreseeable and really left the defence crippled.

It just is what it is.

As for Helle, he has stood on his head more than enough this season, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt during a bad stretch.

 

[Saidin]

His save percent over his career put him barely above the 1st percentile. I know we love our exaggeration here but it is ASTOUNDINGLY difficult to underestimate just how bad a starter he was. Whatever the opposite of a generational talent is. A degenerational talent, if you will.

Ungenerational.

 

[White Out 902]

We're a while before hellebuyck drops to his usual save % around 916. Maybe he turns it around. Maybe he doesn't.

It is amusing, though, to see people pretending that he's a Hasek or a Price. We don't know what we have in Helley yet other than he's better than pavs.

My opinion is he's a below middle of the pack, not terrible goaltender, who gets on streaks occasionally. We can agree to disagree.

 

[Pigseye]

God this guy needs to go to puck handling school, I have seen beer league goalies handle the puck better than he does, mind blowing how bad he is at it and just shrugs it off.

 

[garret9]

The reason why we say goalies are voodoo is because it's exceedingly common for good goalies to play bad and bad goalies to play good for significant stretches of time.

 

[AlphaLackey]

We're a while before hellebuyck drops to his usual save % around 916. Maybe he turns it around. Maybe he doesn't.

It is amusing, though, to see people pretending that he's a Hasek or a Price. We don't know what we have in Helley yet other than he's better than pavs.

That literally says nothing, as 99% of starting goalies are better than Pavelec, and no, that's not an exaggeration.

What we have with Hellebuyck is a goalie with a 7,000+ shot career and a save percentage well above league average, currently working on his third consecutive season of above-average save percentage. That says something very significant.

My opinion is he's a below middle of the pack, not terrible goaltender, who gets on streaks occasionally. We can agree to disagree.

As above, "who gets on streaks occasionally" describes 100% of NHL goalies. See which, how 2019 Vezina winner Vas's 15 game rolling SV% varied wildly from average to superhuman.

And no, I don't think he's the next Hasek or Price, goalies like that come around about as often as goalies like Pavelec come around from the other direction. But if we're keeping the arguments to things we can measure, he's clearly upper tercile and good enough that his best years will have him in contention for the Vezina.

 

[kanadalainen]

Connor has most starts in the league and looking at the season as a whole he's been excellent. The workload is heavy though... Brossoit should step it up so they could play the backup a bit more.

Bang on, I fully agree with your opinion. Give Helle a rest.

 

[AlphaLackey]

Bang on, I fully agree with your opinion. Give Helle a rest.

I wonder if they're trying to buggy-whip Hellebuyck just a bit longer until some troops can come back. I'm fairly certain that some of the big names around here have established that about 55 starts in a year is when you start to run into the risk of fatigue and reduced performance. But yeah, a few more starts for LB. Give him the "lost cause" out of division games and some soupcans.

 

[Jets4Life]

It is amusing, though, to see people pretending that he's a Hasek or a Price.

Who here is comparing Hellebuyck to Hasek or Price?

We don't know what we have in Helley yet other than he's better than pavs.

You can't be serious. Hellebuyck is in his 5th season, and is the best goalie the Jets have ever had, even including the original incarnation of the Jets. We know exactly what we have in Hellebuyck. A NHL starter, who was above average in three of his four seasons (five if you include 2019-20).

My opinion is he's a below middle of the pack, not terrible goaltender, who gets on streaks occasionally. We can agree to disagree.

You are entitled to your opinion, however flawed it may be. Pavelec, at 0.907% would be classified at "below middle of the pack."

If Hellebuyck ends the season at 0.907%, then proceeds to follow it up with two seasons at barely 0.900% then you may be proven right. It's highly unlikely, and we will have to wait until the spring of 2022 before Hellebuycks stats fall to the level you are suggesting he is at right now.

 

[LowLefty]

Connor has most starts in the league and looking at the season as a whole he's been excellent. The workload is heavy though... Brossoit should step it up so they could play the backup a bit more.

Good point
Maybe it's time to give him a couple of games off -
I'd have no issue with sitting him for two - let him settle down and take a break - IMO, he looked tired on a couple of those goals last night.

 

[White Out 902]

Who here is comparing Hellebuyck to Hasek or Price?



You can't be serious. Hellebuyck is in his 5th season, and is the best goalie the Jets have ever had, even including the original incarnation of the Jets. We know exactly what we have in Hellebuyck. A NHL starter, who was above average in three of his four seasons (five if you include 2019-20).




You are entitled to your opinion, however flawed it may be. Pavelec, at 0.907% would be classified at "below middle of the pack."

If Hellebuyck ends the season at 0.907%, then proceeds to follow it up with two seasons at barely 0.900% then you may be proven right. It's highly unlikely, and we will have to wait until the spring of 2022 before Hellebuycks stats fall to the level you are suggesting he is at right now.

When I say middle of the pack I mean for starters. Not every Tom Dick and Harry who gets a token couple starts

 

[The Blue Baron]

One thing about Helleboi is he still stinks at handling the puck.

The second goal he gave up was yet another blunder in this department.

I guess he just does not have the talent to improve in this area?

I am aware Sbisa was a joke as well but it is what what it is.

 

[Jets4Life]

One thing about Helleboi is he still stinks at handling the puck.

The second goal he gave up was yet another blunder in this department.

I guess he just does not have the talent to improve in this area?

I am aware Sbisa was a joke as well but it is what what it is.

Call up Berdin, and get him to work with Helle on the problem.

 

[tntkid]

This was Hellebuyck folding under pressure.

One of the worst games I have ever seen him play and he should be embarrassed.