Player Discussion Cody Ceci | Part IV

[Alex1234]

Whether or not people accept it, that's below market value for Ceci when looking at the comparable players. It's not just my opinion based on me looking at the defenders with comparable deployment and production, but also a guy like Matt Cane (@Cane_Matt)who is known for his salary prediction model would have had Ceci at a bit above 5M on that kind of contract.

I don't think the Senators should have locked Ceci down to that kind of contract, especially with a rebuild. But I would bet money that he signs a comparable extension next year from somebody else.

If he turned down that kind of term from Ottawa, it tells me he doesn't want to be here. It was a bit below market value in terms of an offer, but that's a ton of security and the kind of upside he can expect on his next deal doesn't justify the risk of going 1 year now, and possibly having to go 1 more year through arbitration again.

I'm surprised to hear about that contract offer. I figured Ceci wasn't seriously in our long term plans, and us choosing to go 1 year in arbitration was indicative of that. But now I'm thinking we went one year to give us time to try and hammer out a long term deal sooner. It looks like he probably signs long term, or is traded before going to arbitration again since he'd get the most value as an RFA who can negotiate a long term deal with a team who values him enough to do so.

Yep
At this point we are losing Dzingle Duchene Stone and Ceci in the near futur
Eugene said 16 new faces next year
I wonder who are going to be the 5-6 others left

 

[Do Make Say Think]

He tried to leverage the fact that, with Karlsson gone, he was going to be our only top 4 d with more than a handful of NHL games under his belt.

 

[Xspyrit]

Hopefully Ceci has his best season and the Sens trade him for a good return (I know it's not what you should expect from Dorion but looking at Brassard and Lazar returns, you never know)

Mr. Shawn Simpson@TSNSimmer...

Theodore is 23 and bought 4 RFA years on this contract. He is not a superstar so it's not a case like MacDavid who gets paid right away.

But yeah, Ceci should have taken 6 x 4.75

 

[SENSARMY18]

I’m really looking forward to big things from Ceci. Our young men on defense are really going to surprise a lot of people this year. I expect Chabot to really stand out as well, lots to look at coming into this season.

 

[Xspyrit]

I’m really looking forward to big things from Ceci. Our young men on defense are really going to surprise a lot of people this year. I expect Chabot to really stand out as well, lots to look at coming into this season.

It's good to be optimistic and hopeful but in the case of our defense, there's not much hope this season. You have, in order of quality IMO :

#? : Tomas Chabot
#? : Maxime Lajoie
#4 : Cody Ceci
#5-6 : Chris Wideman
# 6-7 : Dylan DeMelo
# 6-7 : Ben Harpur
# 6-7 : Mark Borowiecki

Not only you're at least missing a top-4 D-man, but you're asking Chabot (1 NHL season, 21 y/o) and Lajoie (1 NHL game, 20 y/o) to be top-3 D-men right away.

It's a massive recipe for failure and that's on Dorion (and of course Melnyk mainly). I still can't believe they traded EK as a rental for young forwards and picks, no quality NHL D-men.

In the AHL, you have Wolanin and Jaros as the only saving graces for the defense. Englund, Bergman and Sieloff wouldn't be better than other #6-7th D-men. JBD and Tychonick are super young, developing in College.

I wish we traded EK for Barrie, Kerfoot and our 1st.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think investing in developing Harpur would be better than playing Boro.. I realize Harpur has not been great ... but IMO work with him see what's there .. if nothing move on... time to move on from Boro. I would also be trying to trade Ceci for the best return and pull the trigger as soon as something good comes along.

 

[IlTerrifico]

I believe that if Ceci works very hard on his positioning, game intelligence and grit and determination, in just a few short years, he could upgrade his game to useless.

 

[Alex1234]

Yesterday game probably doesn’t end 8-3 for Chicago if Jaros/Wolanin replace Ceci/Boro in the line up
I would try them as second pairing
Go full kids wouldnt be worst then those 2 and we could be pleasently surprised like with Lajoie

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

How can Ceci and Boro be this org's favorite D?

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Absolute Kaka Peepee last night. Horrendous player.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Xspyrit]

I was looking at that and it's crazy how Ceci got screwed by this organization. Let's look at his partners at ES through the years

2013-14 : Phillips (58.68%), Wiercioch (20.38%), Methot (13.31%)
2014-15 : Cowen (42.75%), Wiercioch (33.65%)
2015-16 : Wiercioch (33.78%), Phaneuf (21.79%), Methot (13.56%), Cowen (12.57%)
2016-17 : Phaneuf (61.79%), Borowiecki (18.16%)
2017-18 : Phaneuf (26.57%), Chabot (16.07%), Borowiecki (15.73%), Harpur (13.43%), Claesson (9.43%), Oduya (8.89%)
2018-19 : Boro?

Look at the partners he played with through the years...

Now let's look at his possession metrics :

Season​	Age​	GP​	TOI/GP​	CF%​	CF% rel​	oZS%​	dZS%​
2013-14​	20​	49​	17:12​	50.8​	-4.2​	52.3​	47.7​
2014-15​	21​	81​	19:17​	49.4​	-1.3​	49.9​	50.1​
2015-16​	22​	75​	19:18​	44.6​	-4.7​	45.8​	54.2​
2016-17​	23​	79​	23:12​	45.0​	-5.0​	45.7​	54.3​
2017-18​	24​	82​	23:20​	43.8​	-6.1​	41.2​	58.8​
2018-19​	25​	1​	22:09​	48.7​	8.2​	35.3​	64.7​

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

His CF% was pretty decent in his first 2 years, particularly since he was only 20-21 y/o. The main difference is that he was getting more offensive zone starts, less defensive starts and without even looking, he probably didn't have the same quality of competition as of the last few years, as well as reasonable TOI.

His 1st year, he was mostly paired with a good veteran. Sure it was not prime Phillips but still better than most players Ceci played with after. Everybody knows Methot was good and Wiercioch was an advanced stats darling (when he was sheltered)

In his 2nd year, he was mostly paired with after-injuries Cowen and Wiercioch who was in his last miles of so-so NHL efficiency

In his 3rd year, there you can notice a big difference in zone starts and played a good chunk of the season with an even wore Cowen and an even worse Wiercioch. His CF% started to drop

The 4th year is the continuation of the 3rd year, a lot of ice time and defensive assignments, played with 2 slow players. At least Phaneuf was somewhat good vs Boro.

The 5th year is more of the same, except that Phaneuf declined a little bit more and that he played with a variety of D-men, none of them were very good outside of 20 y/o rookie Chabot.

Not a surprise he gets blasted so much, he has been put in the worse conditions possible, all that before his 25th birthday. At least he will probably make a bit more money than he should.

If I'm Ceci, I get a good contract with a NTC, then ask to be traded to a team with a deep defense so I don't have one of the hardest jobs in the league and out of my capabilities.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

He has no offensive IQ whatsoever

 

[NyQuil]

Funny how Boro and Ceci played half of the third period and we were outshot 15-5.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

How can Ceci and Boro be this org's favorite D?

They are both from Ottawa

 

[BatherSeason]

I was looking at that and it's crazy how Ceci got screwed by this organization. Let's look at his partners at ES through the years

2013-14 : Phillips (58.68%), Wiercioch (20.38%), Methot (13.31%)
2014-15 : Cowen (42.75%), Wiercioch (33.65%)
2015-16 : Wiercioch (33.78%), Phaneuf (21.79%), Methot (13.56%), Cowen (12.57%)
2016-17 : Phaneuf (61.79%), Borowiecki (18.16%)
2017-18 : Phaneuf (26.57%), Chabot (16.07%), Borowiecki (15.73%), Harpur (13.43%), Claesson (9.43%), Oduya (8.89%)
2018-19 : Boro?

Look at the partners he played with through the years...

Now let's look at his possession metrics :

Season​	Age​	GP​	TOI/GP​	CF%​	CF% rel​	oZS%​	dZS%​
2013-14​	20​	49​	17:12​	50.8​	-4.2​	52.3​	47.7​
2014-15​	21​	81​	19:17​	49.4​	-1.3​	49.9​	50.1​
2015-16​	22​	75​	19:18​	44.6​	-4.7​	45.8​	54.2​
2016-17​	23​	79​	23:12​	45.0​	-5.0​	45.7​	54.3​
2017-18​	24​	82​	23:20​	43.8​	-6.1​	41.2​	58.8​
2018-19​	25​	1​	22:09​	48.7​	8.2​	35.3​	64.7​

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

His CF% was pretty decent in his first 2 years, particularly since he was only 20-21 y/o. The main difference is that he was getting more offensive zone starts, less defensive starts and without even looking, he probably didn't have the same quality of competition as of the last few years, as well as reasonable TOI.

His 1st year, he was mostly paired with a good veteran. Sure it was not prime Phillips but still better than most players Ceci played with after. Everybody knows Methot was good and Wiercioch was an advanced stats darling (when he was sheltered)

In his 2nd year, he was mostly paired with after-injuries Cowen and Wiercioch who was in his last miles of so-so NHL efficiency

In his 3rd year, there you can notice a big difference in zone starts and played a good chunk of the season with an even wore Cowen and an even worse Wiercioch. His CF% started to drop

The 4th year is the continuation of the 3rd year, a lot of ice time and defensive assignments, played with 2 slow players. At least Phaneuf was somewhat good vs Boro.

The 5th year is more of the same, except that Phaneuf declined a little bit more and that he played with a variety of D-men, none of them were very good outside of 20 y/o rookie Chabot.

Not a surprise he gets blasted so much, he has been put in the worse conditions possible, all that before his 25th birthday. At least he will probably make a bit more money than he should.

If I'm Ceci, I get a good contract with a NTC, then ask to be traded to a team with a deep defense so I don't have one of the hardest jobs in the league and out of my capabilities.

Here we are folks, we are now at year 6 of blaming Cody Ceci's defensive partners for his poor play.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

We all joked that Dorion would trade Karlsson but try to hand Ceci a stupid contract. Here we are and it played out that way exactly.

Thank god he turned it down. Now we just need to hope Melnyk was offended by his contract demands and tells Dorion to move him this year. I just dont get how they see things so differently out there.

 

[BatherSeason]

We all joked that Dorion would trade Karlsson but try to hand Ceci a stupid contract. Here we are and it played out that way exactly.

Thank god he turned it down. Now we just need to hope Melnyk was offended by his contract demands and tells Dorion to move him this year. I just dont get how they see things so differently out there.

Funny that the local media was very quick to point out that EK was a minus player in his debut with San Jose, yet Ceci gets a pass because of "matchups". Ceci was horrid last night, no other way to put it.

 

[branch]

There is no way this guy should be playing almost 30 mins per game...

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Any other defender and that's a goal or a more difficult shot on net.

Absolutely horrific. He is a bottom pair defender and nothing more. I would give him 20 more games as a top 4 defender and if his play remains the same you pull the plug and never give him another chance again.

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

How can Ceci and Boro be this org's favorite D?

They are local (thus sheltered from media, who are terrified of being critical) and Boro has intangibles.
Boro should be an AHL lifer or a spare on a contender, Ceci at most a bottom pairing or a 4.

 

[swiftwin]

Funny that the local media was very quick to point out that EK was a minus player in his debut with San Jose, yet Ceci gets a pass because of "matchups". Ceci was horrid last night, no other way to put it.

Ceci was not horrid last night. Not even close. Boro was, but not Ceci.

 

[Multigrain]

He needs to be sent a message to up his game. Not sure how this can be done since he seems to be Pierres favorite player.

 

[Multigrain]

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