Coach Discussion: Coaching Thread 3

[surixon]

Every NHL coach had a stellar record at lower levels prior to joining the NHL.

My point is that I think it's hard to really assess NHL head coach potential. I like Pascal, but the notion that he was an ideal replacement for Maurice isn't really rooted in anything other than the fact that he was a good interview and some players developed well under his tutelage.

Fair enough, I've just seen a lot to like in how he approaches things to give him an opportunity.

I think we've gone as far as we can under Moe. Hopefully we bring another good developmental coach for the Moose.

 

[JetsUK]

Agreed, but he was a very successful junior coach when the mandate would have been to win. He made the playoffs every year and was past the first round in 8 of 11 years.

He has two coach of the year awards in two different leagues.

I think he is very well regarded with a strong history of accomplishing what his mandate would be depending on the level.

I think this is a very succinct way of viewing PV's coaching achievements. He's shown that he can win when winning was the aim, and that he can steward player development to a very high level when that was the aim. His players think very highly of him and he has consistently shown himself to be an astute thinker of the game with the ability to analyze players' development curves and explain those curves to interested observers -- he's never been a folksy soundbite guy, and seems to treat others with respect -- these all speak to his capacity to coach effectively at higher levels.

I found myself puzzled, once again, by the "But what has he done at the NHL level?" posts given that we have been advised often in these very threads to set aside what PoMo has done for more than two decades at the NHL level, because goaltending, injuries, unfair reffing, no fans in the stands, who are these AHL defensemen anyway, etc. Should we compare PV's record in the bigs to Maurice's at this point? Of course not. But if PV hasn't yet succeeded at the NHL level yet, he hasn't failed either.

Shout-out to @ps241 for putting so eloquently what should probs be the last word on this:

Vincent was my favorite coach personality wise in our system. He will be a head coach in the NHL one day and I really hope he makes the best of it. All the best Vinny you were a total class act.

Amen.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

It’s crazy how so many people forget that many people wanted him fired when he was an assistant with the Jets, now all of a sudden he’s the second coming of Scotty bowman.

 

[Whileee]

I think this is a very succinct way of viewing PV's coaching achievements. He's shown that he can win when winning was the aim, and that he can steward player development to a very high level when that was the aim. His players think very highly of him and he has consistently shown himself to be an astute thinker of the game with the ability to analyze players' development curves and explain those curves to interested observers -- he's never been a folksy soundbite guy, and seems to treat others with respect -- these all speak to his capacity to coach effectively at higher levels.

I found myself puzzled, once again, by the "But what has he done at the NHL level?" posts given that we have been advised often in these very threads to set aside what PoMo has done for more than two decades at the NHL level, because goaltending, injuries, unfair reffing, no fans in the stands, who are these AHL defensemen anyway, etc. Should we compare PV's record in the bigs to Maurice's at this point? Of course not. But if PV hasn't yet succeeded at the NHL level yet, he hasn't failed either.

Shout-out to @ps241 for putting so eloquently what should probs be the last word on this:

Vincent was my favorite coach personality wise in our system. He will be a head coach in the NHL one day and I really hope he makes the best of it. All the best Vinny you were a total class act.

Amen.

I like Vincent, but if the Jets replace Maurice I would hope they look further than previous assistants and AHL coaches in the Jets' system. I think a clean start might be a better approach.

Remember, Vincent was an Assistant under Maurice for some time, so it's quite possible that he would maintain similar approaches to playing style, PP systems, etc.

 

[kanadalainen]

Shit.

Good luck to Pascal Vincent. I realize its just business, but he will be missed.

 

[Heldig]

Hard to believe Chevy is going to stick with this coaching staff.

 

[surixon]

I like Vincent, but if the Jets replace Maurice I would hope they look further than previous assistants and AHL coaches in the Jets' system. I think a clean start might be a better approach.

Remember, Vincent was an Assistant under Maurice for some time, so it's quite possible that he would maintain similar approaches to playing style, PP systems, etc.

Interesting question on style preferred. I am not sure what Vincent would use, does anyone know what types of systems he used in junior?

I think we have people who know what Lowry ran in Brandon and Voctoria but I am curious if anyone knows how Voncent coached in juniors.

 

[schmockeyknife]

I like Vincent, but if the Jets replace Maurice I would hope they look further than previous assistants and AHL coaches

luke richardson might be available

 

[Whileee]

luke richardson might be available

Ducharme... Richardson... doesn't seem to matter who's behind the bench.

 

[FonRiesen]

Sure, but the role of an NHL head coach isn't to develop players.

Even if I accept this presupposition, I'd at least like to have a head coach that understands player development, recognizes strengths and weaknesses in players and knows how to put them in a position to succeed while mitigating against weaknesses (and not overreacting to perceived weaknesses and hindering development).

Someone who at least understands development enough to have assistants work on developing players in the NHL. We should all want all of our players, even our stars, to keep improving and developing. This is how you increase your odds of winning (whether that's developing skills or developing habits or developing an understanding of how to play together as a team).

 

[Ducky10]

Every NHL coach had a stellar record at lower levels prior to joining the NHL.

My point is that I think it's hard to really assess NHL head coach potential. I like Pascal, but the notion that he was an ideal replacement for Maurice isn't really rooted in anything other than the fact that he was a good interview and some players developed well under his tutelage.

Well to be fair, the notion that Maurice was an ideal replacement for Noel was that he was a good interview and…well…….that’s all I got.

 

[Heldig]

Loved what the Habs did in the off season. For a while it looked not so good but man it sure looks good now.

Everything is working, led by other worldly goaltending.

Suzuki is emerging as a true 1C. Chariot has been beastly. The PK is perfect. 4 lines all impacting the game.

 

[buggs]

Well to be fair, the notion that Maurice was an ideal replacement for Noel was that he was a good interview and…well…….that’s all I got.

Lest we forget that Noel was a good interview as well. Maybe we oughta try someone that's a bad interview but a good coach?

 

[DannyGallivan]

Too bad. He’s probably closer to getting a head coaching gig in Columbus than in Winnipeg, unfortunately.

So much for hiring from within. Maurice will retire in Winnipeg.

 

[surixon]

Even if we accept this presupposition, I'd at least like to have a head coach that understands player development, recognizes strengths and weaknesses in players and knows how to put them in a position to succeed while mitigating against weaknesses (and not overreacting to perceived weaknesses and hindering development).

Someone who at least understands development enough to have assistants work on developing players in the NHL. We should all want all of our players, even our stars, to keep improving and developing. This is how you increase your odds of winning (whether that's developing skills or developing habits or developing an understanding of how to play together as a team).

Very well said and I agree fully. That was one of the reasons I would have liked to give him a shot, we have a number of fairly one dimensional players and having a coach with a real strong foundation in development could possibly lead to improvements in individual player weaknesses or at least improved habits.

 

[Guffman]

Hurts to lose Vincent. He's twice the coach Maurice is.

LOL, no he’s not. Are you saying 32 NHL franchises are oblivious to not hiring him as their head coach?

 

[cbcwpg]

Not saying he would be a good NHL head coach or not.. but I think he knew if he stayed in Winnipeg he was never going to get a shot at being the Jets head coach.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

He is basically taking the equivalent of his old job with the Jets, then? He must have taken the Moose HC job under the assumption that he would eventually move into the Jets HC role. Even if it's just a year more, you stick it out and do your time. PV not wanting to wait any longer may be a sign that Maurice is here for a much longer term, regardless of results.

 

[Cypruss]

Lest we forget that Noel was a good interview as well. Maybe we oughta try someone that's a bad interview but a good coach?

Gallant already got a new job.....

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

The bigger question for me is who replaces Pascal? But I'm going to guess Dave Lowry or Jamie Kompon take on the role.

But it would be funny if somehow Dubois's dad ended up in Columbus considering Pascal was the one who hired him on the Moose.

 

[Whileee]

The bigger question for me is who replaces Pascal? But I'm going to guess Dave Lowry or Jamie Kompon take on the role.

But it would be funny if somehow Dubois's dad ended up in Columbus considering Pascal was the one who hired him on the Moose.

I would think Dubois is more likely to take over the Moose, but maybe one of the Jets' assistants.

I highly doubt that Dubois would end up in Columbus.

 

[Flair Hay]

I liked Pascal Vincent, but what was it about his performance that makes some seem to think he'd be a good NHL coach? Claude Noel's record in the AHL was much better than Vincent's, so...

Yeah nothing against Vincent but I tend to agree

Lots of fans are pre-occupied with our young guys needing to be in the lineup. I get it. But if people think things cant get any worse than Maurice? Yeah that is not the case at all...

 

[Channelcat]

LOL, no he’s not. Are you saying 32 NHL franchises are oblivious to not hiring him as their head coach?

I think I'm actually saying that 32 teams should not be employing Maurice.

 

[surixon]

Yeah nothing against Vincent but I tend to agree

Lots of fans are pre-occupied with our young guys needing to be in the lineup. I get it. But if people think things cant get any worse than Maurice? Yeah that is not the case at all...

The flip side is that it can be better as well. You need to take risks to win in this league and sometimes I find this org is far too conservative and ok with the status quo.

 

[Hunter368]

Nothing against Pascal but no big loss seeing him leave IMO, he didn’t bring anything special.