Claude Giroux: Part "Fire, Air, Water, Earth"

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  1. AdamParrot Registered User

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    NoT 1St LiNe PlAyEr.

     
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    First on the entire team in xGF%rel (+11.36), xGF/60rel, and xGA/60rel.

    51.41 CF%
    56.45 xGF%

    on a team that's currently at

    48.13 CF% (22 of 31)
    48.06 xGF% (23 of 31)

    Also has 18 points in 21 games, in spite of having only 6 PP points this year... and we all know why that is.

    ***To add the above, ZERO of his points are with Couturier on the ice and Giroux's only played 6:07 out of 283:25 with him at 5v5 the entire season***

    Not to mention the fact that he's bounced all over the lineup, played both wing and center, and has played at least 20 minutes with 9 different forward linemates this year.

    This is a player having an incredible individual performance this year, not someone who "needs" anyone else.
     
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    Man, that's one hell of a middle 6 talent.
     
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    Scapegoat though.
     
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    They should try him on the PP
     
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    how important is that list when it has Sam Gagner as the 6th best in the league? Or Mathieu Perreault as #11?

    Both ahead of McDavid.

    o_O
     
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    I kind of thought the same thing lol.
     
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    Some of Giroux's success is AV's handling, while he's leading Flyer forwards in ES time, he's only logging 14:21 and 18:16 overall.
    Before AV he logged 20:22 and 21:27, even last year he was at 18:59 - so despite COVID and injuries, AV is making sure he doesn't get run into the ice.

    That's how you extend a veteran's career, resist the temptation to play them too many minutes.
     
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    I wonder what list looks more indicative of top players. This one or the top 15 scorers?
     
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    *Gonna just quickly put this in this thread too, since it'll get lost in the GDT*

    Over the past 7 games* (2-5-0) Giroux is:

    7th in forward 5v5 time per game
    7th in forward PP time per game

    3rd line and 2nd PP usage, basically. And almost always with at least one of Lindblom, Patrick, and NAK.

    Still ended up with 5 total points in those games.
    Within those 5 points, 3 of goals and the 1 assist was at 5v5 too, which has him tied for 1st in forward 5v5 scoring during the sample.
    If he want playing with the three guys listed above, he likely has more assists too since his lines have been getting tons of chances and spending most of the game in the offensive zone.

    1st in individual expected goals at 5v5
    1st in individual high danger shot attempts at 5v5
    1st in individual expected goals in all situations
    1st in individual high danger shot attempts in all situations
    1st in goals scored at 5v5
    1st in goals scored in all situations

    As far as play driving, at 5v5...
    58.58 CF% (+4.41 rel)
    67.35 xGF% (+23.13 rel)


    So basically, the process is amazing and the results are very good, even though he's being screwed by usage. What an incredible waste.

    *7 game sample because that's the entire stretch since the back-to-back shutouts against the Sabres
     
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    If he's playing that well, instead of "being screwed by usage," maybe he's being "preserved by usage."

    The assumption that if he played 2 more minutes a night, he'd not only play the same, but there would be no impact going forward as the season progressed is questionable at best. Otherwise you'd play your best forwards 20+ minutes a night, and very few, and almost none over 30, are used that way (Crosby is an outlier, first ballot HOF and still one of the fastest forwards in the NHL).
     
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    I don't need nerd stats to recognize that Claude Giroux is still a great player that doesn't deserve to be on the ****ing third line and second pp unit.
     
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    play this man with couts already holy shit. Its not that hard. JVR has gotten a lot of lucky bounces and maybe he can help another line right now. Get giroux on the top line with farabee, voracek, or tk
     
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    Claude, I love you so much.

    It's BIG shame you've been playing less minutes per game than Kevin Hayes.

    This organization is a joke.

    And I don't care about age. If Kopitar (33 years old) or Kane (32 years old) can play over 21(!!) minutes per game, G can play around 19-20 minutes per game every day, every night.
     
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    I find it hard to believe that Giroux being one of the least used forwards on the PP of late is both extending his career in some significant way as well being a net positive for the team.
     
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    Minutes add up, especially with a condensed schedule.

    Every HC is tempted to ride his best players into the ice, it works for the short run, but notice how often veteran teams fade in the second half or the playoffs when a HC gives into temptation.

    G is 2nd among forwards in ATOI at 18:07 (would be 3rd if not for the game Couts was injured in the first couple minutes). That's probably too much given the crazy schedule this year - and he certainly shouldn't be playing more.
     
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    There's no excuse for our best PP forward getting 7th highest TOI on the PP in the most recent stretch. I can't imagine an extra minute per game on the PP would result in anything significant towards a decline.

    Don't have the numbers to back this up but even if that would be detrimental, I would expect that and extra minute of G on the PP and one less at ES would be a net positive for the team.
     
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    They manage his ice time because they want him to have a full gaz tank this time in the playoffs.
     
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    Maybe we should focus on getting in the playoffs instead of managing people's energy levels in case we get there.

    Giroux didn't turn 80 overnight and the PP is some of the least strenuous minutes you can give someone.

    You want to worry about managing someone's minutes? There's a much better candidate on the team for that and he wears number 9.
     
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    Girouxs gonna be fresh as f*** for the WC.
     
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    I don't know, I support the decision to have this player being 7th PP & 5v5 icetime per game
     
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    HeS OnLy PlAyiNg BetTeR CauSe hE is FreSh
     
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    He's not as good at nicknames as Kev, so everyone just calm down here. You're all focused on all the wrong things.
     

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