Claude Giroux: Part "Fire, Air, Water, Earth"

[Starat327]

Giroux once got Raffl to pot 20 goals...

I'm not sure how much development can actually happen but the Flyers certainly aren't good at getting players to hit their maximum potential.

Couturier hitting his #1 C potential was really a fault of just Hakstol throwing shit on a wall to see what stuck.

The Flyers for what resources they have available to them really floundered.

Right. Noone is turning Zac Rinaldo into a two way, 1st line power forward. That'd be unreasonable. There are limits to any organization can do, as well as player limitations, obviously.

What isn't unreasonable is to expect a competent organization to take what was largely considered the "best prospect not in the nhl" as a center and make him more than a 45 point winger. That should have been doable.

 

[deadhead]

If this team could've developed Schenn into the competent 2C he became (almost immediately) in St Louis, I'm confident theyd could've been a more serious contender. Unfortunately, the Flyers are about as good at developing young players as I am at growing money trees.

Well, they could have gotten him the same wingers he had in St Louis?
I don't think Schenn is a much better player in St Louis, his numbers are actually similar to Hayes at the same age.
He's just playing with better players. And better players than Hayes here.

Farabee has more upside than Schenn, turns out the Frost pick is the "throw in."

 

[Rebels57]

I'd say it's probably Voracek or Couturier, yeah.

To that end though, thats probably sufficient for his line. More tragically, think back over the last 10 years and pick out the best 2C the has had in that time. Hayes? Filpulla?

Girouxs immediate linemates haven't been bad. But they've basically been a one line team for the last 10 years. You can't win like that.

Probably Schenn during his brief stints at C here

 

[Starat327]

Probably Schenn during his brief stints at C here

Right. So our best 2C during Girouxs tenure is a guy who played more wing than C. What a sad state of affairs. Looking back at what this team has done to Gs career gives me all the sads.

 

[Magua]

I'm remembering a discussion Charlie had with you or Striiker -- easy to mix you two up -- about how Giroux has declined on the PP with age. But somehow him not declining at 5v5 was just shoulder shrugged away. Players do not decline on the PP while sustaining at 5v5; it simply is not logical and just evidences something else very wrong.

 

[Striiker]

I'm remembering a discussion Charlie had with you or Striiker -- easy to mix you two up -- about how Giroux has declined on the PP with age. But somehow him not declining at 5v5 was just shoulder shrugged away. Players do not decline on the PP while sustaining at 5v5; it simply is not logical and just evidences something else very wrong.

Here ya go. There was also an Appleyard part, which was separate, but he explains his nonsense reasoning here.

 

[Starat327]

Here ya go. There was also an Appleyard part, which was separate, but he explains his nonsense reasoning here.

I wish i was this obtuse to the world.

 

[Striiker]

I wish i was this obtuse to the world.

You're too acute for that.

 

[Starat327]

You're too acute for that.

I think youre still young enough as a kid where i can say "thats adorable, son".

 

[Striiker]

 

[pit]

Couturier hitting his #1 C potential was really a fault of just Hakstol throwing shit on a wall to see what stuck.

There's actually a Couts interview I posted a few weeks ago where he came out and said he only moved up the lineup because he demanded the chance for more offensive opportunity. It wasn't even Hakstol flinging crap as much as it was the player needing to steer them to where he could succeed instead of them figuring it out their own damn selves.

 

[Striiker]

Imagine if he had any help, especially on the PP.

 

[VladDrag]

This is the exact antithesis of exemplary. I do not one someone like this leading my team in any way shape or form.

 

[Rebels57]

To think, we had the opportunity to get Lavy back as coach too. But like everything else, we f***ed that up.

 

[Striiker]

To think, we had the opportunity to get Lavy back as coach too. But like everything else, we f***ed that up.

He even fits the team criteria because he's from Franklin, MA, which is an hour away from Boston.

 

[Beef Invictus]

B-b-b-b-b-bb-b-b-b-b-b-bb-b-b-but the Authentics say he's a bad captain

 

[Beef Invictus]

To think, we had the opportunity to get Lavy back as coach too. But like everything else, we f***ed that up.

He puts a lot of miles on his wingers, given how aggressively Fletcher has aged the team that's probably not a good combination.

As is I don't know that he's a good match for the Caps roster for the same reason.

 

[Starat327]

He puts a lot of miles on his wingers, given how aggressively Fletcher has aged the team that's probably not a good combination.

As is I don't know that he's a good match for the Caps roster for the same reason.

What are you talking about? Ratcliffe had an average 14 game sample last year, so hes obviously ready to take over top 6 minutes from Voracek.

Then, next year, we'll have Brink, Wisdom, and Foerester along with a rejuvenated TK and Lindblom to fill out 4 spots in the top 6. These kids are locks to be immediate impacts to the roster. Theyre also basically guaranteed to make the roster in those positions, too. You know, similar to how Frost was...

 

[Striiker]

What are you talking about? Ratcliffe had an average 14 game sample last year, so hes obviously ready to take over top 6 minutes from Voracek.

Then, next year, we'll have Brink, Wisdom, and Foerester along with a rejuvenated TK and Lindblom to fill out 4 spots in the top 6. These kids are locks to be immediate impacts to the roster. Theyre also basically guaranteed to make the roster in those positions, too. You know, similar to how Frost was...

They just have to earn it. And by “earn it” we of course mean outplay vets on the team, get sent down to the AHL anyways, wait for multiple injuries, and then get buried with awful teammates and scrap icetime in the NHL.

 

[Starat327]

They just have to earn it. And by “earn it” we of course mean outplay vets on the team, get sent down to the AHL anyways, wait for multiple injuries, and then get buried with awful teammates and scrap icetime in the NHL.

Sir, you have your timelines confused. At the tail end of this season, when all is lost, all the prospects are locks to make the roster and be impactful players oiu t of the gate. It isnt until TC that the tune changes, and THEN they have to beat out Vets.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Right. Noone is turning Zac Rinaldo into a two way, 1st line power forward. That'd be unreasonable. There are limits to any organization can do, as well as player limitations, .

That’s exactly what Holmgren thought Garrett Klotz was going to be. That turned out well.

 

[pit]

SNEAK PEEK: Giroux reflects on 1,000 Games Milestone

Knowing how badly management failed to build a successful team around him is a crime.

 

[VladDrag]

Made me tear up a bit, not gonna lie.

 

[Striiker]

 

[Lindberg]

What a career wasted by the Flyers.

He played with some good players but man this organization continued to falter where they could.

Not re-signing Jagr, trading Scott Hartnell, signing the players of the ilk in C. Stewart/Weise/Thompson, signing MacDonald, signing Vincent LeCavalier, signing Bryzgalov (who they managed to escape from), not trading Simmonds before all his value depleted, trading JVR for Luke Schenn, Dave Hakstol, I'll just leave out all the dumb 4th liner signings, trading Ghost for negative value, signing Ristolanien.

Did this organization do one thing truly right? Brayden Schenn for essentially Farabee and honestly given Giroux/Voracek/Couturier's age that's probably a mistake. Schenn would have been the #2 center and this organization wouldn't have blown all their money on Kevin Hayes. So remove Kevin Hayes, remove Yandle, and put in a player who has a body made out of lead.