Claude Giroux: Part "Fire, Air, Water, Earth"

Discussion in 'Philadelphia Flyers' started by MiamiScreamingEagles, Sep 1, 2019.

  1. deadhead Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2014
    Messages:
    33,122
    Likes Received:
    14,755
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Going MIA for most of the game?
    And those end of game heroics game after he moved back to LW.
     
  2. Striiker hi

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    73,517
    Likes Received:
    99,462
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Exactly what Ive been saying the last few years. The lack of points is due to shit luck (from his perspective).

    He’s succeeding when it comes to what he can control and scoring goals, but after he passes the puck it’s literally out of his hands. He clearly deserves more, based on the quality of his passing and the chances he creates, but the pucks just aren’t going in.

    On top of that, both his goals and assists are being held back by the PP being a disaster since Hakstol got fired. We haven’t had one single stretch where the unit wasn’t f***ed up in one way or another and you can see that clearly reflected in his PP points per 60. Lowest of his entire career this year and it’s not due to his own playing ability.

    Plus, this year he’s also proven that he can be equally as good, if not better, without Couturier and at both C and wing.
     
    Appleyard likes this.
  3. pit Unregistered User

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2005
    Messages:
    3,388
    Likes Received:
    11,466
    Trophy Points:
    221
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Toronto
    Today I learned if you want to overcome being worn down, switch a tired player to another position and their fatigue meter drops.
     
  4. Striiker hi

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    73,517
    Likes Received:
    99,462
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Also, apparently exhausted players play better than when they're fresh, resulting in 10 of their 14 goals coming in the third period of games.
     
  5. Captain Dave Poulin Imaginary Cat

    Joined:
    Apr 30, 2015
    Messages:
    49,957
    Likes Received:
    131,527
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Occupation:
    University lecturer
    Location:
    Tokyo, JP
    OK, but Covid break. So suck it.
     
    Nizzle, Starat327 and Striiker like this.
  6. kudymen Hakstok was a fascist clique hiver lickballs.gif

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2011
    Messages:
    18,478
    Likes Received:
    29,431
    Trophy Points:
    206
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Occupation:
    Shopper Marketing Analyst
    Location:
    Atlanta (Decatur)
    Maybe they should waive him

    #Authenticed
     
    Striiker and Captain Dave Poulin like this.
  7. Flyrs21 Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2006
    Messages:
    1,150
    Likes Received:
    896
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    I believe when Giroux plays center he focuses to much on the defensive part of playing center because of the lack of quality defense and goaltending, which takes away from his offensive game.

    There's plenty of times when he's playing "3rd line" center he's retreating out of the offensive zone because the wingers forecheck is non existent and part of the system plays into that. Then they come back in the third period because the team is on the attack during the period
     
  8. CSKA1974 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,783
    Likes Received:
    5,057
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Flyerville
    my opinion might not be popular, but I would not use V in this sentence.
     
  9. PK16 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2013
    Messages:
    931
    Likes Received:
    297
    Trophy Points:
    74
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    I don't know, does that take into account G's leadership? :rolleyes:
     
  10. CSKA1974 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,783
    Likes Received:
    5,057
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Flyerville
    not sure I understand the question or any underlying meaning (if any).
     
  11. PK16 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2013
    Messages:
    931
    Likes Received:
    297
    Trophy Points:
    74
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    It was meant to be a joke since the Andy & Rono Giroux analysis did not have a category addressing his leadership which seems to be an issue for some on this board. Not a great joke on my part. The point remains that some on this board make an effort to blame Giroux (and his leadership specifically) for the team underperforming when he has been the most consistent contributor and bright spot on this team.
     
    Striiker, CSKA1974 and Beef Invictus like this.
  12. CSKA1974 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2010
    Messages:
    5,783
    Likes Received:
    5,057
    Trophy Points:
    156
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Flyerville
    Got you. Appreciate your post and agree with your assessment.
     
    PK16 likes this.
  13. Appleyard Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2010
    Messages:
    28,797
    Likes Received:
    28,127
    Trophy Points:
    216
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Student/law/stat/research
    Location:
    Copenhagen
    Home Page:
  14. Striiker hi

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    73,517
    Likes Received:
    99,462
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    And still no damn assists. :laugh:

    [​IMG]
     
    Appleyard and Beef Invictus like this.
  15. deadhead Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2014
    Messages:
    33,122
    Likes Received:
    14,755
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    G - Couts - TK the last few weeks have been our best line all season.

    Couts seems to be finally healthy, G is more sheltered at LW and can focus on being a playmaker, and TK provides speed and energy for the "old men."
     
  16. Audible Velvet Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2015
    Messages:
    1,625
    Likes Received:
    1,132
    Trophy Points:
    109
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Philthadelphia
    Watching him this year, it's no surprise. He's playing like a monster, doing the whole carry the team as one of it's few pallbearers.
     
  17. Striiker hi

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2013
    Messages:
    73,517
    Likes Received:
    99,462
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Over the past 30 games, at all strengths...

    12 goals (32 goal per 82 game pace // 1.33 assists/60)
    11 assists (30 assist per 82 game pace // 1.22 assists/60)

    That's crazy low. For reference, Voracek has 21 assists during that same time period.
     
  18. Starat327 Skipper Tiger Pants luvr Sponsor

    Joined:
    May 8, 2011
    Messages:
    30,012
    Likes Received:
    51,529
    Trophy Points:
    222
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Philadelphia, Pa
    That's one hell of a middle 6 er.

    2nd line talent Scott Laughton must be tearing it up if Giroux is playing second fiddle to him, no?
     
    Striiker likes this.
  19. Deadpool8812 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2018
    Messages:
    8,531
    Likes Received:
    9,068
    Trophy Points:
    102
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Sudbury
    I still hope he leaves next season/summer so he can get a shot at a Cup because he won't get that opportunity here
     
  20. Appleyard Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2010
    Messages:
    28,797
    Likes Received:
    28,127
    Trophy Points:
    216
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Student/law/stat/research
    Location:
    Copenhagen
    Home Page:
  21. Sawdalite SelectLouNolan4PFHoF

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2009
    Messages:
    8,450
    Likes Received:
    726
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Girouxsalem
    Can Giroux catch Bobby Clarke as Flyers All-Time Leader in some major categories? Assuming he re-signs for three more seasons after next season... it would be difficult, but possible. He would have to stay basically major injury free... and average over the four seasons basically what he did in the 2018-19 season; 82 GP, 22 G, 63 A, 85 Pts... his best shot is in passing Clarke in Games Played, which is very possible if he plays FOUR more season.

    GAMES PLAYED
    Clarke 1,144
    Giroux 943
    Diff 201
    Avg Req 50.25

    GOALS
    Clarke 358
    Giroux 273
    Diff 85
    Avg Req 21.25

    ASSISTS
    Clarke 852
    Giroux 585
    Diff 267
    Avg Req 66.75

    POINTS
    Clarke 1,210
    Giroux 858
    Diff 352
    Avg Req 88

    If he plays every game, and at that pace, he would only pass him in GP and tie him for 4th in Flyers Goals... but he would end up only a hair short... This is much closer than I had ever thought he could possibly come. That said... there is still a great way to go for him to even sniff Clarke's accomplishments.

    FWIW
     
    Last edited: Jun 3, 2021
    Appleyard likes this.
  22. Sawdalite SelectLouNolan4PFHoF

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2009
    Messages:
    8,450
    Likes Received:
    726
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Girouxsalem
    ... Please note that none of the above Stats are adjusted. Adjusted Stats I believe would favor Giroux on the quest... but of course would only be valid on an argumentative basis; all players are subject to them... but the facts are the facts, as stated... presently.
     
  23. Sawdalite SelectLouNolan4PFHoF

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2009
    Messages:
    8,450
    Likes Received:
    726
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Girouxsalem
    To be clear... on the Stats for Required Average, it is for four more seasons (2921-22 plus 3-year extension) my original post erroneously mentioned five more years... that has since been edited.

    BTW, This possible projection is more optimistic in target seasons, but less so on extended contract years than any others I have read in the media.

    Since there has been no response to the original post, I'm not sure I should take it as nobody agrees/disagrees... or merely nobody even cares at this point. I'm surprised.
     
  24. Rebels57 HFBoards Sponsor Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 28, 2014
    Messages:
    62,086
    Likes Received:
    78,627
    Trophy Points:
    176
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Gender:
    Male
    He'll never get his just dues here without tangible playoff success. Two long runs as Captain (or 1 Cup) would go a long way.
     
  25. Sawdalite SelectLouNolan4PFHoF

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2009
    Messages:
    8,450
    Likes Received:
    726
    Trophy Points:
    139
    SB Cash:
    $ 100,000
    Location:
    Girouxsalem
    Sad, but might be the case. Stats and even consistent good play are often overlooked when success eludes the team during his tenure... Propp, while not a captain, but an alternate doesn't get his due, whereas alternate captain Barber is in HHOF and gets much more credit in Philly. While Barber has better stats, Propp's are somewhat comparable, and two cups could make a huge difference with Flyers fans... both had long tenure full of consistently good seasons, on both side of the puck.

    In the end, no hardware means to too many fans that long-term players gain huge stats through longevity... I'm not one of those who believe that; it's very difficult to be so consistently good over so many years... and keep your job in one city.

    If Giroux can ever catch Clarke, it would be very hard to deny him his due... even without a Cup and only one Finals appearance... with mediocre teams. Clarke is an all-time NHL great, but he also was on great teams with a great coach.

    It is what it is.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"