Changes coming to Blackhawks Pro Scouting

[JaegerDice]

From Elliotte Friedman's 31 Thoughts

12. Chicago had one of the largest scouting staffs in the NHL (if not the largest). They will also be making some cuts, mostly on the pro side.

Good.

The Blackhawks amateur scouting and European scouting has largely been great. The pro scouting on the other hand, has been a disaster, arguably since the first Oduya trade. The team's pro scouts have long overvalued the wrong qualities in a changing NHL, and failed to properly evaluate the talent on their own team or in their own system.

I'm not sure if Bowman made the call or somebody above him did, and I don't care. Any change at this point can only be an improvement.

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[CallMeShaft]

Good to see it's mostly NHL scouts. Like JD said, the amateur and Euro scouting has been top notch and I was scared for a second thinking they'd get reduced.

Still sucks that people lose their jobs, but this probably won't hurt the Hawks performance wise.

 

[Hawkaholic]

From Elliotte Friedman's 31 Thoughts




Good.

The Blackhawks amateur scouting and European scouting has largely been great. The pro scouting on the other hand, has been a disaster, arguably since the first Oduya trade. The team's pro scouts have long overvalued the wrong qualities in a changing NHL, and failed to properly evaluate the talent on their own team or in their own system.

I'm not sure if Bowman made the call or somebody above him did, and I don't care. Any change at this point can only be an improvement.

Are you insinuating that the Oduya trade was bad?

 

[JaegerDice]

Are you insinuating that the Oduya trade was bad?

God no. I've gone on record in previous threads saying the original Oduya trade is the best trade Stan Bowman ever made.

I'm saying that was the last truly smart trade the team made. They found an undervalued asset on another team that would perform well in a role the Blackhawks needed filled.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Panarin trade is the only bad pro level trade I can think of in recent years.

EDIT: I guess the Shaw trade too

 

[CallMeShaft]

Panarin trade is the only bad pro level trade I can think of in recent years.

*cough* Nylander trade *cough*

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Panarin trade is the only bad pro level trade I can think of in recent years.

EDIT: I guess the Shaw trade too

Danault+2nd for Fleichmann/Wiese?
Kimmo Timonen for 2 2nds?

 

[Kevin Musto]

*cough* Nylander trade *cough*

Nope.

You think the Hawks miss 15 point Jokiharju? He's a scrub compared to Nylander.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Danault+2nd for Fleichmann/Wiese?
Kimmo Timonen for 2 2nds?

Recent years. I'm talking 2017 onward.

You wouldn't fire people because of moves made before then.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Recent years. I'm talking 2017 onward.

You wouldn't fire people because of moves made before then.

Yeah, there haven't been as many bad moves since Q got whacked.
Everyone knows my stance on the Panarin deal. It looks worse than it actually was at the time it was made.

 

[JaegerDice]

Nope.

You think the Hawks miss 15 point Jokiharju? He's a scrub compared to Nylander.

I take Jokiharju over Nylander any day. I guess Hjalmarsson sucks cause he never put up points?

 

[CallMeShaft]

Nope.

You think the Hawks miss 15 point Jokiharju? He's a scrub compared to Nylander.

Do you think Buffalo misses a 3rd line winger?

Spoiler

I only brought up that trade just because I knew it'd get you going.

 

[ChiHawk21]

Panarin trade is the only bad pro level trade I can think of in recent years.

EDIT: I guess the Shaw trade too

what others are there to choose from? i dont know what you are qualifying as a pro trade.
tuevo leddy buff raanta ladd we didnt get enough back in hindsight but it wasnt pros coming back. we paid to get shaw and laad back. trevor daley was a brutal, olesz was less then we thought for campbell even tho that was more of a contract dump he still had more value. danualt for fleish and weiss was a disaster. timonen for picks.

plus side skille for frolik, john scott and bollig got more then their worth, we won a cup with vermette (traded our 1st), panik for morin, manning for caggiula

 

[BK]

I take Jokiharju over Nylander any day. I guess Hjalmarsson sucks cause he never put up points?

Joker is not Hammer. Lets make that very clear but lets also be clear in saying that Nylander has a long way to go to realize his potential.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Danault+2nd for Fleichmann/Wiese?
Kimmo Timonen for 2 2nds?

The first was an "all in" move picking up two vets for another run at the cup. Didn't work out but prob worth the risk.
The second worked out fine. Another cup.

 

[JLarucci23]

Nylander>Jokiharju. I really think Nylander will come into his own next season. Man has top 6 level skill. And an underrated defensive game. Man really just needs to hit the weight room. I think he could be just as good as Willy.

 

[CallMeShaft]

The first was an "all in" move picking up two vets for another run at the cup. Didn't work out but prob worth the risk.
The second worked out fine. Another cup.

The Weise/Flash trade was bad immediately after it happened. Both those guys took turns being good (while the other played like crap) and them playing like that made it a linear trade for the season (Danault was about as good as the better one of them at any point that season).

A trade that still grinds my gears 4 years later.

 

[GaryU]

Nope.

You think the Hawks miss 15 point Jokiharju? He's a scrub compared to Nylander.

Apples and Hand Grenades...And Nylander is not quite ready for the HHOF.

 

[BK]

The Weise/Flash trade was bad immediately after it happened. Both those guys took turns being good (while the other played like crap) and them playing like that made it a linear trade for the season (Danault was about as good as the better one of them at any point that season).

A trade that still grinds my gears 4 years later.

Defensively for sure but PD was a black hole on offense during that season.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Sucks people getting let go, but a shakeup is in order.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Strome trade was terrible. We traded a soft fast scared of contact player for a soft slow scared of contact player.

 

[BK]

Strome trade was terrible. We traded a soft fast scared of contact player for a soft slow scared of contact player.

Wrong.

 

[BobbyJet]

Strome trade was terrible. We traded a soft fast scared of contact player for a soft slow scared of contact player.

Wrong.

It's not wrong quite yet .... but it is too early to say that for certain. Right now it looks about right to me. Sluggish players like Strome are becoming rarer by the month - the NHL is all about playing the game at speed.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Do you think Buffalo misses a 3rd line winger?

Spoiler

I only brought up that trade just because I knew it'd get you going.

Have you seen Buffalo lately? We might have saved Nylander’s career, even if I don’t necessarily agree with the trade.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Strome trade was terrible. We traded a soft fast scared of contact player for a soft slow scared of contact player.

While Strome is better at hockey than Schmaltz at every aspect of the game other than skating and defense, this is a valid criticism. The skating issue is a huge one.