joshjull
Registered User
Couple of things in response to the direction your response took.My phone just sabotaged my second reply, so I surrender to the internets.
But shortly, I disagree. I think Mitts has been completely unprepared for the role the team wanted him to take. Whether he kept those minutes thru the season and failed at them is immaterial. Because he is failing at the nhl in general, so it really doesn’t matter, and pretty much nobody argues, he just can’t handle the minutes or the extra difficult minutes against top competition, that would be implicit issues with him being a top 6 center.
As a side note, I really don’t see the connection to Reinhart’s role last year. Other players on the team matters.
It matters for role, that no matter what Reinhart did last year, he would never have taken O’Reilly’ minutes. O’Reilly was always going to eat a ton of even strength minutes, because he can win his matchup and score. Eichel wasn’t going anywhere.
Conversely, if Mitts came in like a beast, they would have been desperate to give him those minutes over a useless Sobotka, a defensive only Larson line and Berglund who said he prefers the wing. I mean on some level it’s silly historical revision to say huge things were not expected from Mitts, both as a top prospect in national publishers and by management being willing to ship out an all star, under the assumption they had an in house replacement that could hope to fill it.
The situation between those two players and their role is absolutely influenced by who else was in the lineup.
Not that it really matters for what 1972 and I were talking about.
1) You seem to have taken my post to be some sort of defense of Mitts. It wasn’t. Not really sure how it could be with me posting “there is PLENTY to be disappointed about Mitts this year”. He certainly hasn’t lived up to expectations at all.
2) I’m calling out the idea that Mitts was expected to be a top 6 center. He wasn’t. How Housley prefers to deploy the lines in his system explains this. *** later in post***
3) Sam’s role/usage at center to start last season is the exact manner Mitts has been used this year. Offensively skewed minutes (roughly 70% OZS%) as the the bottom 6 secondary scoring line center.
*** Housley’s prefered line deployment***
Top 6
- a line with offensively skewed usage
- a line with defensively skewed usage.
Bottom 6
-a line with an offensively skewed usage
- a line with a defensively skewed usage
Last year that is exactly how the season started
Jack’s line with an offensively skewed usage
ROR’s line defensive
Sam’s line offensive
Josefson’s line defensive
Once they gave up on Sam at center combined with Josefson constantly being injured. We had a hodgepodge of bottom 6 centers getting a crack at 3rd and 4th line center (including Josefson when healthy). But the basic usage held. Because the bottom 6 lines sucked so bad at their respective roles/usage Jack and ROR were leaned on heavily in minutes played in their respective roles.
This year we’ve have had the exact same deployment with
Jack’s line offensive usage
Sobotka (Erod/Berglund) -defensively skewed usage
Mitts -offensively skewed usage
Larsson - defensively skewed usage.
The lines that have the most direct impact on another’s ice time in Housley’s set up are the top 6 and bottom 6 lines that have the same role/usage. Because we had no effective bottom 6 lines last year it led to Jack and ROR playing as much as they did.
Jack still doesn’t have an effective supporting secondary scoring line because of how poorly Mitts has played. It’s why Jack plays same amount at ES this year as he did last year (15:37 last year/15:36 this year). The top 6 defensive line (Sobotka now) actually has a strong compliment in the Larsson line. Thus their respective ice times have come closer and closer to each other. At the start of the year it was the top 6 defensive center getting 13:30-14mins at ES a night and Larsson at around 10. That gap has steadily closed as the season progressed and the Larsson line has played so well. To the point that there is roughly a 1min deference in their season averages.
All of the above matters in the context of Mitts and his role. He was never going to center either of our top 6 lines (offensive or defensive). We don’t use two top 6 offensive lines and I don’t see Housley changing the basic foundation of his line deployment (he is very stubborn). What Mitts playing well could have provided (aside from much needed offense) was give Jack a little drop in ES minutes. But thats hasn’t happened. Instead Jack went back up to his season average from last year (15:36). I feel quite comfortable saying an effective 4th line like we have this year would have taken some of the ES minute burden off of ROR.
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