Discussion in 'Buffalo Sabres' started by Graves, Jul 27, 2018.
Kessel still has his baby fat
I think that's hotdog fat.
He is a quick tho ;-)
See - i don't believe the answer lies with either an 'expensive' rental or a highly valued young player. Neither make sense to me for reasons already listed.
I'd target a guy like Tyler Bozak - he's on the right type of deal & would imagine it would cost little to acquire a player like him in a trade.
I have no problem giving up R1 picks if it is for the long term good of the team. EG to get a long term partner for Dahlin. But for a short term stopgap or to fill a role I believe is already filled long term? No.
I’m honestly going to say I was wrong about Casey to this point, I would have argued he’d have been a lock for 45 points this year in August. But, from the time he showed up for the rookie tournament right through to now his game hasn’t been near as good as it should have been. Botterill really needs to get in his head that he needs to up the effort level and train to be a professional athlete. He needs to “cut the cord” with his minny buddies like Jack said and be a pro.
Eichel needs to take Casey up to train at Mike Boyle's this summer.
At the same time, I think this season has probably been an eye opener for the work he needs to put in this summer. He needs to up pace, and he’s struggling seeing the game at this pace.
Cal Dietz at UM is a really smart S&C guy, but I really wonder about his ideas on training translating to hockey.
But, maybe it's the Vanek, Okposo, Mitts experience talking...
One of the problems is that this is our deployment right now; Mitts is getting the 4th most minutes of our centers, with heavy ozone starts, against the weakest opponent forward competition, and he's still routinely getting caved in while contributing very limited offense. (This is with Sobotka & Larssons filling in as the 3a and 3b centers)
Even if we upgrade Sobotka, I still think Mitts could use some time in the AHL to build his confidence and work on his game. We can let Erod fill in at center temporarily while Mitts develops.
The problem is that (particularly in hindsight) the team should've taught him that lesson by starting him in Rochester and telling him that's a direct consequence for not putting in the work required to be a pro.
It seems to me that he and his line can get into the ozone and cycle for ~15 seconds. The problem is that this possession never seems to translate into scoring chances, shots, or even shots attempted. Someone always seems to get checked or a giveaway and then that’s that.
Eichel, Reinhart, Ristolainen, Zemgus etc. finally getting that playoff taste, Dahlin experiencing and understanding what he needs to train for in the offseason and using it as fuel the way we know he will, Mittelstadt having a meaningful reduction in the load he's carrying, and STILL more first round picks than normal, and more picks than the average amount, which is what competent GMs should be able to sustain their organization with
Or watching a center corps of Sobotka-Mitts-Rodrigues-Larsson while Jack is out and less productive 2/3Cs than even the tank Sabres had pace-wise even when Jack is back, missing the playoffs and pushing the HOPE for Jack's first playoff games in season 5, still far from a guarantee while wasting a 10 game win streak and an enormous shooting percentage/contract year for Skinner, and getting one more player that will have an impact on Rochester in 2022 the same way a guy like Nylander is this year
The choice is clear, how could we possibly choose to make a trade to bolster the current lineup with all of the cards on the table?
Hindsight is 20/20 but another year at Minnesota would have been ideal.
Everyone gets fooled from time to time.
But the one thing I noticed in Mitts last year in the 3-5 Gopher games I watched, and I know Chainshot brought it up a lot, was his inconsistency in dominating regularly in college.
And I don’t mean he needed to be at Jack’s level of almost 2 ppg and a National title appearance based mostly on his shoulders.
But he just never took over games regularly in Minnesota, nor did he show the physical maturity to just skate around people on pure athletics.
And just remember Eichel, with those tools and that production at BU, still only barely broke 50 points as a rookie.
If Mitts has been brought in on the wing with Jack and Skinner or Reinhart and O’Reilly, I could have seen him fitting in and being skilled enough to finish.
But after the O’Reilly trade, it was an enormous ask for a sub ppg ncaa 19 year old to slide right into a top 6 nhl role.
World Juniors clouded a lot of people’s judgement I guess
Except he wasn’t asked to slide right into a top 6 role. There is PLENTY to be disappointed about with Mitts this year. But not performing in a role he’s not actually being tasked with isn’t one of them.
Mitts is on the exact same role Sam had to start last year. Which would be the 3rd line center/secondary scoring line center. That the guys playing 2nd line center (Berglund, Sobotka and Erod) are no where near as good as ROR doesn’t change this.
My phone just sabotaged my second reply, so I surrender to the internets.
But shortly, I disagree. I think Mitts has been completely unprepared for the role the team wanted him to take. Whether he kept those minutes thru the season and failed at them is immaterial. Because he is failing at the nhl in general, so it really doesn’t matter, and pretty much nobody argues, he just can’t handle the minutes or the extra difficult minutes against top competition, that would be implicit issues with him being a top 6 center.
As a side note, I really don’t see the connection to Reinhart’s role last year. Other players on the team matters.
It matters for role, that no matter what Reinhart did last year, he would never have taken O’Reilly’ minutes. O’Reilly was always going to eat a ton of even strength minutes, because he can win his matchup and score. Eichel wasn’t going anywhere.
Conversely, if Mitts came in like a beast, they would have been desperate to give him those minutes over a useless Sobotka, a defensive only Larson line and Berglund who said he prefers the wing. I mean on some level it’s silly historical revision to say huge things were not expected from Mitts, both as a top prospect in national publishers and by management being willing to ship out an all star, under the assumption they had an in house replacement that could hope to fill it.
The situation between those two players and their role is absolutely influenced by who else was in the lineup.
Not that it really matters for what 1972 and I were talking about.
Agree with all this. On a personal level, i hate Eric Staal so i'd be open to someone else for the #2 C
I'm not worried about Mitts development. He'll get there. He's too talented to not.
I'm more worried about his stick being too short.
Eventually he'll figure out he can't be Mr. Fancy Pants at this level.
I think it's because everyone is on the same page that Mittelstadt is struggling. Not everyone was on the same page about Reinhart when he was struggling initially.
Because he wasn't.
Allow me to amend myself...
"Not everyone was on the same page about if Reinhart was struggling initially."
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