Confirmed Trade: [CAR/MIN] Nino Niederreiter for Victor Rask

[2020 Cup Champions]

Hahahahahahaha. You get the W for his detective work. Too funny. I don't know how that guy can show his face around these parts now. HOLY COW he got wrecked.

Almost as good as the tarheelshockey burn on the Cherepanov-avatar guy.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

I thought he was their 3rd line C?

Until today. Only took him 7 games to show his real spots

 

[Unsustainable]

On the other hand (lol), Carolinas cheap owner took on 5m more in salary, and gave Min 1.7m per in cap space

 

[rynryn]

ITS STILL EARLY.

i'm going to be saying that for a couple years.

:'(

 

[BruinLVGA]

Ouch!

 

[Uncle Scrooge]

Caught couple Wild games since the trade and man does Rask look slow out there. No wonder he's struggling. He looks like Laine the way he moves.

 

[The don godfather]

Still early and rask may still outproduce nino in points at end of year. Wouldn't surprise me.

 

[ricky0034]

Still early and rask may still outproduce nino in points at end of year. Wouldn't surprise me.

huh? Nino is 22 points ahead of Rask right now on the season

that'd be a hell of a jump for 28 games for a guy that only has 8 points so far this year

 

[Slyfox]

Still early and rask may still outproduce nino in points at end of year. Wouldn't surprise me.

Want to bet on that?

 

[DFF]

Still early and rask may still outproduce nino in points at end of year. Wouldn't surprise me.

You are predicting Nino with a season ending injury soon?

That's the only chance

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

Want to bet on that?

I, too, would like some free money

 

[Maukkis]

Who would have ever guessed?

Oh, yeah. Just everyone who can interpret statistics at any level. Most of those who watch hockey, too.

 

[Predsrule]

You are predicting Nino with a season ending injury soon?

That's the only chance

Even then he would have to be close to a ppg... just a little off his current production.

 

[Canes]

Rask is more like a future NHL washout former Cane in 2-3 seasons rather than one of those former Canes who goes on to have a career resurgence on a new team. I've said it for a quite awhile now, he's seriously one of the worst players in the NHL now. Even if he goes back to Europe, he'll be in the Allsvenskan (or some other low tier league) sooner or later. Just a brutally bad hockey player who doesn't even seem to give a shit.

 

[Stickpucker]

I'm a fan of Rask. I hope he can turn it around...if not this season....hope he gets a good off-season and comes back strong next year. Would like to see a win/win.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

one of the worst trades in recent memory just because of how painfully obvious the winner was

 

[innitfam]

What a whiff by Minnesota

 

[rynryn]

it would have been great though if he pulled a Staal and suddenly looked awesome. then we got like three AHL defensemen to replace Dumba. Things are looking great.

 

[Reddwit]

What a whiff by Minnesota

Is it called a whiff even if you shouldn't have been swinging in the first place?

 

[rynryn]

is it a whiff or is it more like we got beaned in the junk by Carolina and our free base is $1.7m in cap space, with 2 batters out an no one on base in the 9th.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

What Niederreiter is doing in Carolina should be an irrelevant consideration for the Wild, particularly when he's in such a favorable situation (EV next to a center producing at a high end level + 1st PP minutes). Lindholm's performance in Calgary doesn't have meaning for my evaluation of the trade with Calgary. HF, which is obsessed with declaring winners and losers, will make a big deal out of it, but you have to be more pragmatic in evaluating the decision making behind these trades; it's not as if Waddell called up Fenton and talked him into it. The pertinent questions to answer are:

1. Are the Wild better off with Rask and the $1.25 mil in cap instead of Niederreiter?
2. It's clear that the league viewed Nino as a cap dump; could he have bounced back in Minnesota, thus opening the door for a better return at a point in the future?

That defines the Minneosta perspective on this one. Trades aren't zero-sum. If one team wins big, it doesn't mean that the other lost big.

 

[rynryn]

What Niederreiter is doing in Carolina should be an irrelevant consideration for the Wild, particularly when he's in such a favorable situation (EV next to a center producing at a high end level + 1st PP minutes). Lindholm's performance in Calgary doesn't have meaning for my evaluation of the trade with Calgary. HF, which is obsessed with declaring winners and losers, will make a big deal out of it, but you have to be more pragmatic in evaluating the decision making behind these trades; it's not as if Waddell called up Fenton and talked him into it. The pertinent questions to answer are:

1. Are the Wild better off with Rask and the $1.25 mil in cap instead of Niederreiter?
2. It's clear that the league viewed Nino as a cap dump; could he have bounced back in Minnesota, thus opening the door for a better return at a point in the future?

That defines the Minneosta perspective on this one. Trades aren't zero-sum. If one team wins big, it doesn't mean that the other lost big.

most Wild fans knew WHY we did it and could agree it made sense even if it's pretty obvious which player was better despite both slumping. Had Rask looked better than Koivu, or Staal, or even Coyle (who is better at wing) it would be an easier pill to swallow but so far he doesn't look like he's capable of that, and as part of the rationale for the trade was getting a viable option at center in the system for when Staal and Koivu age out this trade looks worse. Nino's production is irrelevant, but the fact that he had a markedly better track record and a much greater chance of turning it around than Rask its safe to say the Wild didn't win at all on this one. We would have been better served trading him for draft picks.

 

[Bazeek]

What Niederreiter is doing in Carolina should be an irrelevant consideration for the Wild, particularly when he's in such a favorable situation (EV next to a center producing at a high end level + 1st PP minutes). Lindholm's performance in Calgary doesn't have meaning for my evaluation of the trade with Calgary. HF, which is obsessed with declaring winners and losers, will make a big deal out of it, but you have to be more pragmatic in evaluating the decision making behind these trades; it's not as if Waddell called up Fenton and talked him into it. The pertinent questions to answer are:

1. Are the Wild better off with Rask and the $1.25 mil in cap instead of Niederreiter?
2. It's clear that the league viewed Nino as a cap dump; could he have bounced back in Minnesota, thus opening the door for a better return at a point in the future?

That defines the Minneosta perspective on this one. Trades aren't zero-sum. If one team wins big, it doesn't mean that the other lost big.

1.) No, unless Fenton turns that $1.25m into a unicorn.
2.) At the very least Fenton could have hung onto him until the summer, when cap considerations are looser if not irrelevant. At the very least Carolina still would have been game to make this trade then. There was nothing to lose by waiting except half a season of Victor Rask, which... yeah.

Rask doesn't need to score more or even be better overall than Nino for this to work out for Minnesota, but he does need to be more than a 4th line center making $4m to score 20 points.

 

[Tkachuky]

Still not liking the trade for the Wild.

 

[ref19]

Still not liking the trade for the Wild.

I mean Nino is a an average middle six winger so it's not a huge loss.