Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 2

[BiPolar Caps]

Well schmidt traded to florida so they were discussing with another team

As Priskie slides further down the Florida D depth chart.

 

[hb12xchamps]

Well schmidt traded to florida so they were discussing with another team

Hold the phones!

 

[caps4cup]

Imagine us trading Orlov for assets and acquiring Schmidt for peanuts.

 

[hb12xchamps]

Pretty shitty for Schmidt though. Knows he’s traded and all these reports out there. Hopefully Vegas is in touch with his camp and being as transparent as possible

 

[crab]

ultz for midt.

 

[Rayquaza64]

im still trying to wrap my head around paying schultz 4M and then going right around and grabbing TvR. we could have just done the TvR part and be perfectly fine while not being in cap hell

 

[caps4cup]

Call me crazy but what if the Schmidt trade hold up is a corresponding Orlov move? Would be something

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Some stats, 5v5 last three seasons..

Player	GP	TOI/GP	Goals/60	First Assists/60	Total Points/60	IPP	Shots/60	Minor/60	Penalties Drawn/60	Takeaways/60	Hits/60	Hits Taken/60
Nate Schmidt	196	17.380	0.19	0.26	0.85	29.52	4.21	0.28	0.16	1.91	1.60	3.05
Dmitry Orlov	233	18.711	0.21	0.32	0.91	34.55	3.73	0.51	0.45	1.83	4.60	2.77
Trevor van Riemsdyk	206	14.165	0.14	0.25	0.78	33.63	5.35	0.23	0.16	1.50	1.71	3.93
John Carlson	231	17.191	0.42	0.54	1.51	45.05	6.35	0.48	0.26	1.45	1.83	2.99
Martin Fehervary	6	14.569	0.00	0.00	0.69	16.67	4.12	1.37	0.00	1.37	8.92	10.3
Nick Jensen	229	15.202	0.03	0.33	0.64	27.41	4.19	0.38	0.40	1.21	3.05	8.7
Matt Niskanen	216	17.610	0.22	0.30	0.91	34.12	5.17	0.55	0.27	0.93	5.49	5.52
Madison Bowey	154	14.193	0.14	0.33	0.96	44.30	4.17	1.07	0.27	0.91	4.47	5.76
Christian Djoos	119	13.418	0.15	0.56	0.94	32.05	3.64	0.26	0.30	0.86	1.54	3.61
Radko Gudas	210	14.477	0.12	0.39	0.87	34.38	6.67	0.77	0.43	0.85	10.72	5.98
Jonas Siegenthaler	90	12.402	0.11	0.38	0.70	28.26	2.80	0.91	0.54	0.75	3.71	7.15
Michal Kempny	182	16.089	0.25	0.37	1.00	29.70	5.18	0.88	0.33	0.72	3.32	5.23
Brenden Dillon	232	16.093	0.10	0.37	0.88	33.13	3.26	0.77	0.32	0.53	8.95	5.34
Justin Schultz	138	16.271	0.16	0.27	0.69	25.49	4.76	0.24	0.19	0.53	2.40	6.57
Brooks Orpik	134	14.494	0.06	0.12	0.56	24.66	2.72	0.87	0.31	0.49	9.36	5.44
Paul LaDue	47	12.893	0.40	0.20	0.89	37.50	4.46	0.30	0.10	0.40	6.44	9.51

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Rayquaza64]

Call me crazy but what if the Schmidt trade hold up is a corresponding Orlov move? Would be something

id take orlov 10 million times over schultz

edit: schmidt too, but we would never have to move orlov to begin with if we dont sign schultz so point still stands

 

[hb12xchamps]

Call me crazy but what if the Schmidt trade hold up is a corresponding Orlov move? Would be something

I think Schmidt makes more money than Orlov. He’s a tad under $6 million IIRC

 

[tenken00]

Pretty shitty for Schmidt though. Knows he’s traded and all these reports out there. Hopefully Vegas is in touch with his camp and being as transparent as possible

The nerve of McPhee. Take him away from us and then dump him right after.

 

[Hivemind]

I'm as big of a Schmidt fan as there is, but I take Orlov over him quite easily.

 

[TheLegendOfPatPeake]

Call me crazy but what if the Schmidt trade hold up is a corresponding Orlov move? Would be something

I wish but not a chance in hell.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

The nerve of McPhee. Take him away from us and then dump him right after.

I mean... 3 seasons later.


I guarantee that in NHL history 3 years post expansion is definitely on the higher end of expansion pick longevity with the team that chose them.

In fact of the 30 picks made only 7 players are still on the active VGK roster and I am including both Schmidt and MAF in that count.


Granted GMGM was able to flip more prospects from trades outside of the draft itself, but the point stands. Schmidt lasted a long time, also VGK is a much different team than we saw.

 

[tenken00]

I mean... 3 seasons later.


I guarantee that in NHL history 3 years post expansion is definitely on the higher end of expansion pick longevity with the team that chose them.

In fact of the 30 picks made only 7 players are still on the active VGK roster and I am including both Schmidt and MAF in that count.


Granted GMGM was able to flip more prospects from trades outside of the draft itself, but the point stands. Schmidt lasted a long time, also VGK is a much different team than we saw.

They could at least have the decency to return him to us used.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Took George 3 years to figure out you don’t win a Cup with Nate playing a key role?

not surprised at all that he’s priced himself out of town....now for that cap hit, you need more than he has IMO. I’d take him on the 3rd pair for sure, but not at his price tag.

 

[caps4cup]

Took George 3 years to figure out you don’t win a Cup with Nate playing a key role?

not surprised at all that he’s priced himself out of town....now for that cap hit, you need more than he has IMO. I’d take him on the 3rd pair for sure, but not at his price tag.

He’s a legitimate 1st pairing defender and well worth his contract. His numbers would likely look a lot better too if he didn’t face such tough assignments.

 

[pman25]

Took George 3 years to figure out you don’t win a Cup with Nate playing a key role?

not surprised at all that he’s priced himself out of town....now for that cap hit, you need more than he has IMO. I’d take him on the 3rd pair for sure, but not at his price tag.

Nate Schmidt is a pretty solid top 4 offensive defenseman. VGKs problem isn't Schmidt or any of the defense really, it's their forwards not finishing. Seriously, they could not bury a goal at all these past playoffs. They need scorers

 

[OV Rocks]

Schmidt-Calrson
Dillon-Schultz

vs

Dillion-Carlson
Orlov-Schultz

The first is significantly more complimentary to all of the skillsets of the entire group. Just don't think it is possible to get done. Vegas is trying to clear cap space and I am not sure Orlov's 5.1 vs Schmidt 5.9 makes enough of a difference for them.

Now.... if Vegas likes Jensen plus a pick things could get reallllyyy interesting on the backend

 

[Raikkonen]

So now Schmidt is better player than Orlov? Doubtful

 

[Ridley Simon]

I’ve always thought Schmidt was over rated. I like Orlov better (homer bias I’m sure), so the fact that’s Orlov is 800k cheaper is a bonus.

That said — I think it’s a fallacy that we can trade Orlov for a ransom, and yet Schmidt will be dealt for peanuts. I’d wager their returns would be the same. More or less

 

[Ridley Simon]

Schmidt-Calrson
Dillon-Schultz

vs

Dillion-Carlson
Orlov-Schultz

The first is significantly more complimentary to all of the skillsets of the entire group. Just don't think it is possible to get done. Vegas is trying to clear cap space and I am not sure Orlov's 5.1 vs Schmidt 5.9 makes enough of a difference for them.

Now.... if Vegas likes Jensen plus a pick things could get reallllyyy interesting on the backend

We cannot take Schmidt’s salary without sending out a similar amount of salary. We are already a tad over the cap if we field a 20 skater roster (not including the G’s for 22). How would we possibly fit 5.9m more?

would need Oshie gone. Or Wilson. Or Orlov. And those would be be enough alone.

 

[OV Rocks]

We cannot take Schmidt’s salary without sending out a similar amount of salary. We are already a tad over the cap if we field a 20 skater roster (not including the G’s for 22). How would we possibly fit 5.9m more?

would need Oshie gone. Or Wilson. Or Orlov. And those would be be enough alone.

Well with what I proposed Orlov would be moved.


Regarding the overall skill of Schmidt vs. Orlov I do agree that I think Orlov is the better player. However I think Schmidt is more complementary to the overall top 4 than Orlov would be.

For whatever reason Orlov and Carlson just don't work. It is crazy to think they have been in an organization together for 8 years and they have hardly ever played together.

Scmidt is a better compliment to Carlson than Dillon would be and Dillion would be a better compliment to Schultz than Orlov would be. The overall top 4 would play better as a whole with a swap of Orlov for Schmidt

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

He’s a legitimate 1st pairing defender and well worth his contract. His numbers would likely look a lot better too if he didn’t face such tough assignments.

in stats alone.....you won’t win a Cup with him defending your crease when it matters. Until he proves me wrong.....I stand by my warm take.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I’ve always thought Schmidt was over rated. I like Orlov better (homer bias I’m sure), so the fact that’s Orlov is 800k cheaper is a bonus.

That said — I think it’s a fallacy that we can trade Orlov for a ransom, and yet Schmidt will be dealt for peanuts. I’d wager their returns would be the same. More or less

some what disagree with this part, but you still get a like.

Orlov with 1pp/top pair play would easily be outplaying his contract, even more so than he is currently for us.

Schmidt isn’t outplaying his cap hit nor is he likely to start...IMO.

Vegas’ current desperate spot and the world economy issues not withstanding, Orlov is getting a waaay better return from the right team that needs a 1/1b.