Post-Game Talk: Canucks Training Camp (2) - Loui Eriksson Era Is Over

[canuckking1]

Hamonic 1x1.2

 

[Debrincat93]

Pretty much 100%. Odds he sticks there for long are tougher to guess.

thanks, looks like an exciting player.. cant wait to see

 

[nowhereman]

odds hoglander makes opening night roster?

It's all but guaranteed, at this point.

 

[VibinCanuck]

Surprised the Canucks haven't gotten another goalie yet for the taxi squad. I don't like Dipietro getting no playing time in a important development year.

Surprised Michaelis and Rathbone are still with the team

Moj is hearing Baertschi is going to Utica... which seems like a mistake.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

So currently ..would the 7/8 Dman be Benn, and one of Rathbone/Chatfeild...?

 

[4Twenty]

Surprised the Canucks haven't gotten another goalie yet for the taxi squad. I don't like Dipietro getting no playing time in a important development year.

Surprised Michaelis and Rathbone are still with the team

Moj is hearing Baertschi is going to Utica... which seems like a mistake.

Why? I expected Baertschi to go down the whole time. He was surplus to requirements last year to the point they exiled him to Utica, I don’t see what’s changed. He wouldn’t be the first call up in a normal year what’s the use of having him around.

His Canuck career ended with Benning’s presser about his trade request last season.

 

[Blackjackz]

So currently ..would the 7/8 Dman be Benn, and one of Rathbone/Chatfeild...?

You would think it would have to be Rathbone, just based on the fact if you are going to keep a 21 year old up with the team, you have to play him.

 

[DonnyNucker]

odds hoglander makes opening night roster?

Odds? It’s clearly 100%

 

[VibinCanuck]

Why? I expected Baertschi to go down the whole time. He was surplus to requirements last year to the point they exiled him to Utica, I don’t see what’s changed. He wouldn’t be the first call up in a normal year what’s the use of having him around.

His Canuck career ended with Benning’s presser about his trade request last season.

Because I believed Benning would "do-right" with Sven keeping him with the team and he's probably a better option for the 2nd or 3rd line if injuries come up than a bunch of players who will make the "taxi-squad". Especially for the 2nd PP.

I'll maintain, last pre-season we saw Baertschi and Gaudette had some decent chemistry in a game and they never looked at it again.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Surprised the Canucks haven't gotten another goalie yet for the taxi squad. I don't like Dipietro getting no playing time in a important development year.

Surprised Michaelis and Rathbone are still with the team

Moj is hearing Baertschi is going to Utica... which seems like a mistake.

Why is that a mistake? He is useless

 

[VibinCanuck]

Why is that a mistake? He is useless

So if there's an injury to the top 6 you think putting Eriksson, Bailey or MacEwen is a better option with Gaudette when Virtanen moves up the lineup than Baertschi? I'm not saying play him when they're healthy, I believe he's a better top 9 option than who they'll keep.

Of course only if injuries happen, but that's the purpose of the taxi squad.

 

[DonnyNucker]

So if there's an injury to the top 6 you think putting Eriksson, Bailey or MacEwen is a better option with Gaudette when Virtanen moves up the lineup than Baertschi? I'm not saying play him when they're healthy, I believe he's a better top 9 option than who they'll keep.

Of course only if injuries happen, but that's the purpose of the taxi squad.

He is soft, slow and weak. Yes, I think Bailey and Macewen are better options. I refuse to mention Loui’s name again (after this post)

 

[Atoyot]

Went to bet on Hoglander winning the Calder and since I last checked 2 days ago his odds of winning have gone from 51:1 to 13:1. Good luck this season, you guys have a fun team to watch.

 

[iceburg]

I can see them sending DiPietro down after a month to get playing time.

 

[4Twenty]

Because I believed Benning would "do-right" with Sven keeping him with the team and he's probably a better option for the 2nd or 3rd line if injuries come up than a bunch of players who will make the "taxi-squad". Especially for the 2nd PP.

I'll maintain, last pre-season we saw Baertschi and Gaudette had some decent chemistry in a game and they never looked at it again.

I just think the bridge has been burnt. I kind of agree on his game but the organization disagrees completely based on what they’ve done.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Taxi Squad guess;

 

[Svencouver]

Baertschi played at a 0.5ppg+ clip when he was with us and had a significant amount of skill to produce offense and finish in our top 9. I think him being buried has everything to do with his cap hit and nothing to do with the quality of player he is. Its still sort of absurd to me that he hasn't gotten any chance to play at the NHL level since being buried by us. The dude is a good NHL player.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Baertschi played at a 0.5ppg+ clip when he was with us and had a significant amount of skill to produce offense and finish in our top 9. I think him being buried has everything to do with his cap hit and nothing to do with the quality of player he is. Its still sort of absurd to me that he hasn't gotten any chance to play at the NHL level since being buried by us. The dude is a good NHL player.

I'm surprised a lot of ate up everything they had to say when they sent him down. I look at our roster last year and I wonder who they thought was better than him. JV is my guess, but Virtanen is so, so frustrating to watch. He got a lot better last year, but he still doesn't do the things Sven does that complements Horvat's game.

 

[Vector]

So currently ..would the 7/8 Dman be Benn, and one of Rathbone/Chatfeild...?

I have a hard time believing that it won't be Rafferty/Chatfield given they have the same contract and are right handed. Rathbone is a LD and has a$225,000 higher cap hit. With the maneuvering they need to do to start the season, just to squeak under the cap ceiling, it really needs to be someone on a minimum contract.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Baertschi played at a 0.5ppg+ clip when he was with us and had a significant amount of skill to produce offense and finish in our top 9. I think him being buried has everything to do with his cap hit and nothing to do with the quality of player he is. Its still sort of absurd to me that he hasn't gotten any chance to play at the NHL level since being buried by us. The dude is a good NHL player.

31 teams disagree with you. He is a decent AHL player. He would be a star in the KHL and he should consider trying to revive his career overseas. He put up those numbers playing on the PP and top 6. No team in the league has room for him in their top 6 regardless of what he is being paid. He is far too soft to play a defensive role

 

[Tables of Stats]

Baertschi played at a 0.5ppg+ clip when he was with us and had a significant amount of skill to produce offense and finish in our top 9. I think him being buried has everything to do with his cap hit and nothing to do with the quality of player he is. Its still sort of absurd to me that he hasn't gotten any chance to play at the NHL level since being buried by us. The dude is a good NHL player.

We have waived him letting any team that wished to take him for free and even looked at trading him and got no takers. NHL GMs can misjudge players, especially players with a cap hit such as Sven has, but it's telling that we didn't get any offers that even made it to the rumor mill stage.

 

[bossram]

In Utica his net front work has been his greatest defensive weakness both at 5 on 5 and the PK. His best skill on the PK is blocking shots and he will get hurt. His other nightmare play was turning it over on the offensive blueline on the PP leading to length of the ice clean breakaways.

Other weaknesses pointed out here in a few posts were also problems, but I have let you guys watch him and many of you seem to think he's going to be just fine. Maybe he will. I'm just going to wait and see if he has made great strides since we last saw him here. As always, I wish any former Comet the best in his NHL endeavors.

I'm really not super high on OJ. He was never the right pick at 5th (I wanted Keller FWIW, also a small miss). His injury issues have hurt his stock even further and I'm not sure he really has the even-strength defending ability to be a top-four player.

I'm just hoping we can make something out of a guy who was the franchise's highest draft selection since the Sedins.

 

[bossram]

D zone face offs are hugely important, especially on the PK. Beagle, like you point out, just isn’t much of a player any more after the draw. But he still can contribute more than Big Mac.

I...am not really sure about that.

Beagle is a known known: We know he's not great at even-strength. He's a useful faceoff guy for the PK, but at best the advantage you're getting is like a 5% improvement vs. Horvat and Sutter taking more draws. How many extra faceoff wins on the PK does that equate to over a season? Like 20 maybe?

Mac is known unknown: We don't really know what his potential is. I'm not even a MacEwen fan at all, but I'd probably rather see what he's got than run Beagle.

 

[Pip]

Baertschi played at a 0.5ppg+ clip when he was with us and had a significant amount of skill to produce offense and finish in our top 9. I think him being buried has everything to do with his cap hit and nothing to do with the quality of player he is. Its still sort of absurd to me that he hasn't gotten any chance to play at the NHL level since being buried by us. The dude is a good NHL player.

Baertschi is a classic top 6 scoring player on a bad team. He is by no means a good NHLer but can be useful for rebuilding teams until they can find a better replacement.

 

[4Twenty]

I'm surprised a lot of ate up everything they had to say when they sent him down. I look at our roster last year and I wonder who they thought was better than him. JV is my guess, but Virtanen is so, so frustrating to watch. He got a lot better last year, but he still doesn't do the things Sven does that complements Horvat's game.

Yeah, I don't understand why people fell into believing that he played differently since his concussion and that he wasn't the same, he played in a more dangerous league (the AHL is unpredictable compared to the NHL) and produced very well.

I just think the org is finished with him.