Value of: Canucks Taking Your Team's Bad Contracts

[LickTheEnvelope]

I have actually a good trade proposal for Canucks.
Ryan Spooner + our Boston 1st for Canucks 1st in the 2018 draft? I`m certain that Jim Benning drooling over Ryan right about now.

My reasoning is that Canucks need more than 1 early draft pick to accellerate their rebuild plan - in consider they have been rebuilding for years now.

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The Canucks are only in year 3 of actually rebuilding.

Ryan Spooner would not help at all.

 

[DL44]

Anyone mention Tyler Ennis as a candidate for Minny to shed to help make room for Zucker and Dumba deals?
Spezza.. only if they Dal has an intention to add to their roster this yr. Could see em just wait it out another yr and let him walk rather giving up an asset to get rid of him.
Brouwer - Cgy has no picks to give away.

I saw mentioned: Seabrook, Ryan mentioned... remaining term too long for this strategy to utilized for the Canucks... without high retention and/or top end assets returning. Chi did that with Teuvo... don't think they want to do that again.


Anyone else seem to have cap room to eat their own bad contracts for another yr.

If I were to guess... Tyler Ennis could be the only player listed to be moved in this sort of deal.

 

[THE Green Man]

Anyone mention Tyler Ennis as a candidate for Minny to shed to help make room for Zucker and Dumba deals?
Spezza.. only if they Dal has an intention to add to their roster this yr. Could see em just wait it out another yr and let him walk rather giving up an asset to get rid of him.
Brouwer - Cgy has no picks to give away.

I saw mentioned: Seabrook, Ryan mentioned... remaining term too long for this strategy to utilized for the Canucks... without high retention and/or top end assets returning. Chi did that with Teuvo... don't think they want to do that again.


Anyone else seem to have cap room to eat their own bad contracts for another yr.

If I were to guess... Tyler Ennis could be the only player listed to be moved in this sort of deal.

Agreed, Ennis and Orpik are the only guys that make sense. Spezza too but he has a MNTC so I doubt he would want to come to Vancouver. Only way we would be involved with him would be if someone wants to use us for retention on him like Vegas did with Brassard.

 

[HenrikW]

Sven Baertchi for Milan Lucic+?

What assets would it take to make this happen? 2019 1st?

 

[grindline]

Just thinking aloud here but what about taking Brandon Dubinsky off Columbus’ hands?

Pros: not a deadweight but massively overpaid bottom 6 Center

Could be an excellent mentor to younger players

Could send Boone Jenner or Oliver Bjorkstrand as sweeteners (OB would require a pick in return)

Cons: 4 year term


If Columbus retains c. 30% the cap hit is 4m but we could always take a small contact back so your net cap hit is more like 3m.

 

[me2]

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The Canucks are only in year 3 of actually rebuilding.

Ryan Spooner would not help at all.

Closer to 5 or 6 IMHO, starting in 2013 with the Schneider trader followed by 2014 Luongo/Kesler 6th last. Benning has yet to intentionally "rebuild", 2015 he was trying trading his picks for Lucic, 2016 he was trying to trade is 1st Subban. At best that is retooling. Maybe this will be the first official rebuild year, but in practice it has been going on much longer (4 bottom 6 finishes in 5 years).

 

[Cogburn]

Sven Baertchi for Milan Lucic+?

What assets would it take to make this happen? 2019 1st?

We have every intention of keeping Baertschi, so no, less then what Oilers fans have already offered for Lucic won't cut it.

 

[Jozay]

pls take matt martin

 

[CanuckGame39]

Sven Baertchi for Milan Lucic+?

What assets would it take to make this happen? 2019 1st?

It would take a ludicrous offer for us to even consider taking 5 more years of that slug.

 

[lifelonghockeyfan]

It would take a ludicrous offer for us to even consider taking 5 more years of that slug.

You're right. If a GM makes a trade for Lucic (or players like him) they're saying we don't the faith in our abilities to find another player at 6m X 5 yr. Slugs dragging down a teams cap (maybe not next year for the Canucks) are demoralizing for the players on the team.

 

[Viqsi]

Just thinking aloud here but what about taking Brandon Dubinsky off Columbus’ hands?

Pros: not a deadweight but massively overpaid bottom 6 Center

Could be an excellent mentor to younger players

Could send Boone Jenner or Oliver Bjorkstrand as sweeteners (OB would require a pick in return)

Cons: 4 year term


If Columbus retains c. 30% the cap hit is 4m but we could always take a small contact back so your net cap hit is more like 3m.

I keep thinking of the possibility of a Dubinsky-for-Gagner trade but have not yet quite had the courage to suggest it out loud.

 

[punk_o_holic]

Just thinking aloud here but what about taking Brandon Dubinsky off Columbus’ hands?

Pros: not a deadweight but massively overpaid bottom 6 Center

Could be an excellent mentor to younger players

Could send Boone Jenner or Oliver Bjorkstrand as sweeteners (OB would require a pick in return)

Cons: 4 year term


If Columbus retains c. 30% the cap hit is 4m but we could always take a small contact back so your net cap hit is more like 3m.

I keep thinking of the possibility of a Dubinsky-for-Gagner trade but have not yet quite had the courage to suggest it out loud.

What's Dubinsky's NTC status? Does he have it? Was it only for the first couple of years? Lets say he has it. Why would he waive to go to a building team? He's getting older and his chance to win a Cup is decreasing. Only reason he might waive his NTC is to go to a bigger contender than Columbus or he can't stand Torts/his playing time is decreasing and wants to go to a team where he would still play.

 

[Canucks1096]

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The Canucks are only in year 3 of actually rebuilding.

Ryan Spooner would not help at all.

Technically the rebuild didn't start until the trade deadline in 2017 when they traded Burrows and Hansen. So Technically it's only been 1 and 1/4 season.

 

[TLEH]

Seabrook

 

[StreetHawk]

Technically the rebuild didn't start until the trade deadline in 2017 when they traded Burrows and Hansen. So Technically it's only been 1 and 1/4 season.

Cause they were in Denial.

 

[MayDayMayDay]

BOGO, Okposo or Moulson. Take your pick.

 

[JuJu Mobb]

Karl Alzner and Andrew Shaw

Any interest?

No...

Ok bye...

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Say Buffalo wins the lottery and Vancouver has a top-five pick.

Buffalo:
Vancouver 1st

Vancouver:
1st overall
Kyle Okposo
Zach Bogosian

Vancouver may need to add a little bit.

Damn those contracts suck....I'd do it if our first is not top 3

 

[Hunter368]

Jets might look to send Mason to some rebuilding team to dump his contract. Likely Jets pay a mid range pick (3rd to 5th Rd pick) or a C/D level prospect that we have loads of to dump him, some place.

 

[Peter Griffin]

I keep thinking of the possibility of a Dubinsky-for-Gagner trade but have not yet quite had the courage to suggest it out loud.

What is Columbus sending to Vancouver in order for them to make that swap?

 

[ginner classic]

In defense of the post your are responding to.... Ennis' contract is for 1 year. I don't think it would take a lot of an add to get a team to take a bad contract that is 1 year. Not sure if a 5th is enough, but I don't think it's outrageous.

3.65M real dollars for a 5th round pick? It's not monopoly money. Glad you don't work for me.

 

[grindline]

What's Dubinsky's NTC status? Does he have it? Was it only for the first couple of years? Lets say he has it. Why would he waive to go to a building team? He's getting older and his chance to win a Cup is decreasing. Only reason he might waive his NTC is to go to a bigger contender than Columbus or he can't stand Torts/his playing time is decreasing and wants to go to a team where he would still play.

According to capfriendly, his contract becomes a modified no trade this Summer.

His playing time has decreased a lot but that could be temporary. Whether it increases in Columbus depends on how he rebounds in the playoffs and what the depth chart looks like at Center after the Summer.

 

[elitepete]

Why do people keep mentioning players but not what they would give up to get rid of them?

Every bad contract is tradeable, it just depends on if you’re willing to pay the price or not.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Say Buffalo wins the lottery and Vancouver has a top-five pick.

Buffalo:
Vancouver 1st

Vancouver:
1st overall
Kyle Okposo
Zach Bogosian

Vancouver may need to add a little bit.

No one is trading the Dahlin pick. Bogosian will likely be bought out without any significant cap implications. Okposo will stay. Dumb suggestion.

 

[Viqsi]

What is Columbus sending to Vancouver in order for them to make that swap?

Dubinsky, obviously.

Realistically, I'm not sure; that's why I hadn't tried to make a proposal out of it.