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Added a poll, does Stecher make the opening night lineup or not.
Why or why not?
would make the season interesting if i say yes so i'll have to go with illogical one and say no b.c logic ever happens
Added a poll, does Stecher make the opening night lineup or not.
Why or why not?
We have 4 D that broadly look like they are or will be capable of playing strong top pair minutes. 3 of these 4 are under 30 years of age and the other is just turned 30.
For Forwards who do or could potentially form an effective top line we have a pair of guys pushing the back half of their 30's, another guy in his early 30's, and maybe Brock Boeser who, even if he turns out perfectly still seems more a elite finisher than line driver. We then have Horvat as a likely strong second liner and some interesting question marks in Baertschi, Rodin, and Virtanen. That is literally it for top 6 forward depth. Meanwhile the defense still has further depth with Gudbanson (#5), Stecher (#6), Tryamkin (#7), and Larsen (#8).
Pretty substantial gap between the top end of both positions as well as just pure depth, doncha think?
Ugh.How so? Care to explain? Are you overrating our Dmen or underrating our forwards.
Larsen played 0 penalty minutes tonight, while stecher played 2:11 minutes
23:43 minutes tonight for stecher 2nd highest on the team. Sporting the teams best corsi against arizona's NHL roster. Meanwhile only played 17:26 minutes. That's a significant difference.
To me that seems like the logical conclusion is that Stecher will make the opening night lineup.
If Willie can trust Stecher like that + give him PK time it means he must think that Stecher is the more dynamic player.
I thought we were talking about "depth?" You were talking about how a team's 7th Dman isn't the quality of the guys we have now competing for the 7th Dman spot. Talking about players who could form an effective top line isn't depth.
Regardless, I disagree with your point about there being an overallocation of assets on D. Prior to Benning drafting Juolevi, the Canucks haven't drafted a Dman with their first round pick since Bourdon (RIP). Benning followed that up by drafting forwards in his first 2 drafts in the first round. While McCann was traded for Gudbranson, Benning also spent a 2nd round pick acquiring Baertschi. And in this summer's draft, Benning drafted 4 forwards and 2 D. In fact, there hasn't been a draft where Benning drafted more D than forwards. And in terms of free agency, Benning hasn't signed any D of note. But he signed Eriksson, Vrbata, and went after Lucic and Iginla. Stetcher was a Dman who was signed to an ELC, but Benning went after Caggiula. Laplante and Carconne got ELCs as well. There's simply no support for your over allocation argument.
If anything, there have been more resources devoted to improving the forward corps than the D corps (which is fair given there are more forward positions). And even in terms of cap room allocation. The cap room/salary spent on D relative to forwards is actually lower than what our past 2 GMs have spent. For what it's worth, our past 2 GMs before Benning devoted more resources to D than up front.
It's not an allocation issue if Hutton and Tryamkin has top 4 potential but Cole Cassels or Grenier don't have top 6 potential. It's not an allocation issue if Stecher has top 4 potential but Laplante doesn't have top 4 potential.
Larsen played 0 penalty minutes tonight, while stecher played 2:11 minutes
23:43 minutes tonight for stecher 2nd highest on the team. Sporting the teams best corsi against arizona's NHL roster. Meanwhile only played 17:26 minutes. That's a significant difference.
To me that seems like the logical conclusion is that Stecher will make the opening night lineup.
If Willie can trust Stecher like that + give him PK time it means he must think that Stecher is the more dynamic player.
This is what I was thinking and damned if it isn't actually trending that way now!Yes please. He has a spot on this team next to Tryamkin. Make it happen.
Stecher means that Pedan is getting waived? Guess we not gonna see him again.
Biega being waived si a given at this point.
Honestly, Sbisa should be waived.
Edler Tanev
Hutton Gudbranson
Tryamkin Stecher
Larsen
I think Stecher is a lock to get the 9 game look.
who we exposing in the expansion draft?
Stecher means that Pedan is getting waived? Guess we not gonna see him again.
Biega being waived si a given at this point.
Honestly, Sbisa should be waived.
Edler Tanev
Hutton Gudbranson
Tryamkin Stecher
Larsen
I think Stecher is a lock to get the 9 game look.
Stecher means that Pedan is getting waived? Guess we not gonna see him again.
Biega being waived si a given at this point.
Honestly, Sbisa should be waived.
Edler Tanev
Hutton Gudbranson
Tryamkin Stecher
Larsen
I think Stecher is a lock to get the 9 game look.
Larsen played 0 penalty minutes tonight, while stecher played 2:11 minutes
23:43 minutes tonight for stecher 2nd highest on the team. Sporting the teams best corsi against arizona's NHL roster. Meanwhile only played 17:26 minutes. That's a significant difference.
To me that seems like the logical conclusion is that Stecher will make the opening night lineup.
If Willie can trust Stecher like that + give him PK time it means he must think that Stecher is the more dynamic player.
At this point, I'm in favour of sending Stecher down to start the season. Getting 23+ mins under Green's tutelage for the first 20 or so professional games of Stecher's career isn't going to hurt anything, and may very well be a positive in his development.
Take a bit of time to look at the 5-8 guys (Sbisa, Larsen, Pedan, Tryamkin) and let things shake out a bit there. There will be some injuries and just because Pedan is sitting in the press box, doesn't mean we can't call up and play Stecher if someone is going to miss a few games.
Stecher has looked great, but have to keep the competition in mind a little bit. I'd like to protect as much depth as we can, and I'm not ready to turn the page on Pedan or Tryamkin. If Sbisa can be moved, booya. Other than that, let Stecher be the big dog in Utica for a few games before becoming a full time NHLer.
Poll had me indecisive. If the choices were: Should Stecher make the opening night lineup? Yes or No, then it's a slam dunk YES for me. Does he? Nothing this coach does surprises me anymore.
Honestly, give the guy a shot. He can always head back to Utica to work things out if it doesn't go the way we'd hoped.
3rd pairing minutes, but 1st pair PP. That's what I want to see Stecher do to start the season.
Edler-Tanev
Hutton-Gudbranson
Tryamkin/someone/notSbisagoodgodnotSbisa-Stecher.
Give him 3rd pairing minutes, then stick him with Edler or what the hell, Hutton on the PP.
Nothing would be better for his team than if we could break up Edler-Tanev imo.
Hutton-Gudbranson - shut down pair, vs top lines
Sbisa-Tanev shut down pair #2 vs teams 2nd lines
Edler-Stecher - backs the Sedins, and 1st unit PP
This would be a tremendous waste of Tanev.
And Hutton, who should be freed up to generate offence from a 2nd pairing, not shoehorned into a shutdown role getting 35% o-zone starts against top opposition lines every night.
This would be a tremendous waste of Tanev.