Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign D Tyler Myers to 5-Year, $30m Deal ($6m AAV)

[Melvin]

think about this we went into last season with pouliot guddbranson and del zotto this year we going into it with myers, hughes, benn. benn just needs to be a number 5 guy myers needs to keep our right side healthy and be solid number 4 so we dont have stetcher and two ahlers on the right side like last year. and quinn hughes the 5 games last season he really looked like he would be a solid number 3 d man along with his play at world championchips where he got the second most minutes just behind suter

I mean, you could replace gudbranson with a broomstick and the defense would be improved. Myers doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

[Hoglander]

And it begins. Easy to attack others for their opinion but can not be challenged on theirs. First diamond down. By days end I will be rich!

Honestly, I was expected something a bit more original. But I guess meeting expectations will have to suffice.

There's a few relentless pro-Benning posters, and then a big majority of people that don't like what they see from this team (direction-wise).

You're literally talking to a bunch of people that disagree with you, of coarse there are bound to be a bunch of critics followed by a bunch of likes.

 

[Melvin]

I actually think people are being way more positive about this than it merits, possibly because we were bracing for 7x7.

I doubt Myers ends up being an upgrade over Hutton all things considered, but they are paying a bazillion dollars more for the older player because he's tall and Benning scouted him in juniors over a decade ago.

It's being downplayed just how stupid this is. It is very, very stupid.

 

[ccjon]

 

[Melvin]

There's a few relentless pro-Benning posters, and then a big majority of people that don't like what they see from this team (direction-wise).

You're literally talking to a bunch of people that disagree with you, of coarse there are bound to be a bunch of critics followed by a bunch of likes.

You have like ten people who literally have never criticised a single thing this front office has done, but they whinge endlessly that every transaction doesn't get met with 100% approval. The lack of self awareness is incredible.

 

[settinguptheplay]

There's a few relentless pro-Benning posters, and then a big majority of people that don't like what they see from this team (direction-wise).

You're literally talking to a bunch of people that disagree with you, of coarse there are bound to be a bunch of critics followed by a bunch of likes.

Yes there are. But they are far fewer in number and generally do not attack other people opinions. When someone in the media feels the need to warn a new player about the negativity that should set off alarm bells. Sadly, I get no diamond here. Appreciation for the level headed reply.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

It's being downplayed just how stupid this is. It is very, very stupid.

I too feel like Frank Grimes. The whole world has gone insane!

 

[dwarf]

I don't think signing guys around 30 to long term deals is wise. You are basically giving a guy lottery money, when he doesn't have anything left to play for. Myers will be our Eriksson clone on D.

I do hope I am wrong. Myers does seem to have some integrity, and it is possible we get some value.

 

[Dab]

About as meh on this as you can get. Should stabilize a pairing. Hopefully this allows us to play Hughes with Tanev hopefully boosting Tanevs value for a trade.

Edler Myers
Hughes Tanev
Benn Stecher

 

[82Ninety42011]

About as meh on this as you can get. Should stabilize a pairing. Hopefully this allows us to play Hughes with Tanev hopefully boosting Tanevs value for a trade.

Edler Myers
Hughes Tanev
Benn Stecher

Well it's better then last season and having a puck mover on every pairing will help. Now if Edler and Tanev can stay healthy and Hughes is for real it could be our strength. Adding Tryamkin after KHL season ends would be a big boost as well if he signs.

 

[48MPHSlapShot]

This is why Brian Burke is no longer an NHL GM.



Yup.

I’ve asked you a couple times, but without referring to ‘NHL experts’ or other appeals to authority please explain why you disagree based on the merits of the players.

I’m completely comfortable with people laughing at my opinion, just like they laughed when I said that Biega was better than Sbisa and Gudbranson and nobody disagrees with that now. It’s actually funny how pathetically unable people are at forming their own opinions without people telling them what to think.

Also both you and I take steaming dumps on a daily basis that know more about hockey than the collective intelligence of canuckscorner, who were basically laughed off this board when they tried posing here last year and went back to their own echo chamber.

Oh you are so wrong. They lurk. They sneak. They remember. It's a LOL sort of thing.

 

[bandwagonesque]

I don't think signing guys around 30 to long term deals is wise. You are basically giving a guy lottery money, when he doesn't have anything left to play for. Myers will be our Eriksson clone on D.

I do hope I am wrong. Myers does seem to have some integrity, and it is possible we get some value.

Anyone with Myers' pedigree and experience is getting a long-term deal at 29. That's how you add those players. The question is when it's appropriate to add them and how much cap space it leaves lying around.

 

[Disappointed EP40]

The leafs fleeced the avs full stop.. holy crap

I know as Canucks fans, we aren't used to this...

.. But having a GM that realizes a player is going to not be able to be retained, then trading them for longer term assets.. It's crazy right?

It's almost like the rather not paint themselves into a corner where Barrie's value is significantly diminished, and be under the threat to lose him for nothing, they did something. Bonkers.

 

[Horse McHindu]

How on earth did the Leafs get Tyson Barrie for a mere Nazem Kadri? And Colorado retains half his salary?

And Barrie is being paid LESS than Myers?

One of two things is possible:

1) Dubas is a genius (like omg!!)

2) Barrie has a year left on his contract and there is a big risk that Barrie will walk away for nothing at the end of the season.

 

[Askel]

We also have Madden in our pipeline. Unknown yes, but also had a very impressive season last year. You are correct in what you’re saying, but you can’t just ignore prospects like Madden and disregard them as being listed as possible future assets.

Madden is a decent prospect, but fact is most prospect fail. The Canucks C depth is not great.

1) I never said that about Demko
2) Canucks will easily sign Markstrom if he’s the guy that they want to proceed forward with.
3) We also have Dipietro in the system.

Again - prospect pipelines are a thing. It’s ok to list them as “assets” if they’ve shown promise.

Markstrom is going to want around 5 million at least if he plays like he did at the end of last year, unless Benning manages to clear some crap of this rooster it will not be easy to sign Markstrom.
Dipietro is an total unknown, goalies takes time and a lot of them fail miserably when they hit AHL.
This great goaltending depth you are talking about is all about Demko, who still is an unknown.

Pearson is a 2nd line LW’er. Outside of his slow start in LA and lackluster stint in Pittsburgh, he’s been a 2nd line LW’er his whole career. He played very well with Horvat last year as well.

We also have Hoglander in our system. Many agree that this was an excellent pick up by us.

Pearson is a 40 pt player when playing with elite players. Hoglander is a nice prospect and I think he will be a fine top 6 player in a few years. Atill having 2 2nd line LW, a prospect with upside and players like Leivo, Beartshi, Roussel , none of them is great but decent is not some kid of great depth, its still missing a first liner.

Virtanen is a good to decent 3rd line RW’er. Maybe not Pomminville per se, but maybe some other cheap vet that can be signed on a 1-2 year deal and have a reasonable shot at providing offense on a Pearson-Horvat line.

Canucks have to sign Boeser, Leivo, Motte that will take most of 9 million that's left of our caproom, My guess is Baertschi/Leivo is the guys thats starts a 2nd line RW.

So overall the Canucks forward lineup still needs a lot of work before they are even close to being a cup contender.

 

[alternate]

About as meh on this as you can get. Should stabilize a pairing. Hopefully this allows us to play Hughes with Tanev hopefully boosting Tanevs value for a trade.

Edler Myers
Hughes Tanev
Benn Stecher

The big question mark for me with this top 6 is who faces the opponents top line? Almost certainly Edler, but not sure that's the way to get the most out of Myers. It will be interesting to see how Green slices things up. Maybe go back to the tried and true Edler-Tanev shut down unit:

Edler-Tanev
Hughes-Myers
Benn-Stecher

Playing Hughes-Myers behind Petterson - Boeser. Could mean too many shifts don't get out of the Canucks zone, or it could be two good transition guys that will have the benefit of playing vs defensive specialists.

Or, continue with Edler-Stecher...depending on how you feel about Stecher, not everyone is going to feel he can handle tough minutes.

Edler-Stecher
Hughes-Tanev
Benn-Myers

I'm going with the assumption that Hughes will see offensive zone starts and play behind 40-6 most of the time. Tanev should keep the puck going the right way, and can be the safety net, letting Hughes be a bit of a rover. Might also help keep Tanev healthier, in that the puck will hopefully be at the right end of the ice, meaning less puck retrieval and shot blocking for the Fragile One.

Or maybe they prioritise Tanev's health, and play him with Benn on the third pairing, keeping Tanev's minutes and QoC down to reduce injuries.

Edler-Stecher
Hughes-Myers
Benn-Tanev

Give the third defensive starts against non-top lines, and they probably do well with those minutes. Seems pretty likely that Benn's usage will slant heavily to the dzone, but I don't think he should be our top match up pairing. Paired like this, I would see Edler-Stecher being the match-up pairing, with zone starts roughly equal, then Hughes getting the OZ starts, and Benn-Tanev starting in their own zone most of the time.

A lot will depend on chemistry, and how Green wants to deploy/match up certain guys. On paper, the defense is better than it has been in a while. Biega is a good depth piece, the Swede that was added is an unknown, and I still have some hope (perhaps naively) that Juolevi will put things together this season. The big question mark is really who will be able to handle the tough defensive minutes...especially when Edler and/or Tanev are hurt. Don't really see a viable option there, especially for any extended period or if Edler loses half a step over the offseason.

 

[Horse McHindu]

Madden is a decent prospect, but fact is most prospect fail. The Canucks C depth is not great.

That’s all well and good, but if that’s the approach that we’ve chosen to take, then we shouldn’t have double standards (ie praising the prospect pools and subsequent organizational depth of other teams while choosing not to list our own prospects as assets).

Markstrom is going to want around 5 million at least if he plays like he did at the end of last year, unless Benning manages to clear some crap of this rooster it will not be easy to sign Markstrom.

I agree that 5 million will be the asking price if Markstrom duplicates last season. If the Canucks are serious about winning in the “here and now,” they will have to pony up the cash. Tanev money will likely have to go to Markstrom (and we would obviously walk from Tanev). Some other RFA’s that will need to be re-upped, would have to be traded for picks unfortunately (Virtanen).

Dipietro is an total unknown, goalies takes time and a lot of them fail miserably when they hit AHL.
This great goaltending depth you are talking about is all about Demko, who still is an unknown.

Again, I never said otherwise. You seem to have an issue with me in listing certain Canucks prospects as “assets” and “organizational depth,” but you have zero issue in praising the prospect pools of other teams......and how they’ve apparently done things the right way. So which is it?

A) Prospects (after they’ve had atleast one good year after being drafted) count as assets? OR
B) Prospects don’t count as assets unless they’ve made the NHL in a regular role.

We can’t pick and choose and have double standards here.

Pearson is a 40 pt player when playing with elite players.

By your own admission, Bo Horvat is an excellent center. Pearson produced fairly well with Horvat last season (although it was a relatively small sample size). Pearson is a 2nd line winger. Period.

Hoglander is a nice prospect and I think he will be a fine top 6 player in a few years. Atill having 2 2nd line LW, a prospect with upside and players like Leivo, Beartshi, Roussel , none of them is great but decent is not some kid of great depth, its still missing a first liner.

J.T. Miller is a good player to have on your first line, and is a proven producer on a 1st line when given the role.

Canucks have to sign Boeser, Leivo, Motte that will take most of 9 million that's left of our caproom, My guess is Baertschi/Leivo is the guys thats starts a 2nd line RW.

Fair points. My guess is that it will be Leivo since neither Pearson nor Baertschi have a lot of experience playing on their off-Wings.

So overall the Canucks forward lineup still needs a lot of work before they are even close to being a cup contender.

I would argue that it’s their bottom 6 that needs to step up more than their top 6. Their top 6 looks like it’s really coming along. My hope is that Gaudette and Virtanen can really take leaps in their games this up coming season.

Also every summer you come in here and try to talk up this team like its going to be great when they fall off and miss the playoffs you are nowhere to be seen.

Uhhhh.....no. I may have done this back in the Summer of 2015 and the Summer of 2016, but I’ve always tried to paint a realistic picture of where this team is at. There’s a difference between attempting to be positive (which is what I try and do), and having a “Sky is falling” loser mindset (which perhaps some other fans choose to have).

Last year at this time, I predicted that the Canucks would have a season similar to their 2007-2008 season (85-88 points). The Canucks finished with 81.

For the last few years, I have been saying the following:

2017-2019: miss playoffs
2019-2020: make the playoffs + 1st round blowout.
2020-2021: Canucks being a contender.

I do look like I will be wrong about my predictions, but I don’t think we’re that far either. I say we make the playoffs in 2020-2021 (1st round blowout), and then join the elite ranks (2nd round caliber team+) in 2021-2022.

 

[Horse McHindu]

@Peter10

https://www.tsn.ca/radio/vancouver-1040/ferraro-jim-benning-did-a-good-job-today-1.1331628

(Listen from about the 8th minute mark to about 10:15.).

 

[Vote for Rory]

I think this year, and maybe next year, I'll be happy with this deal.

The problem will be year 3, 4 and 5 in my opinion. So many contracts to deal with, it is going to get really tight in my opinion.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

Third time's the charm? Seriously. This is now the third time Benning swings for the UFA fences and hopes for the best; fifth if you include trades. Sutter, Gudbranson, Granlund... the list goes on.

 

[Jay Cee]

I too feel like Frank Grimes. The whole world has gone insane!

Funny you mention. Melvin kind of reminds me of Grimey.

On an unrelated note I don't think I ever heard Myers speak before yesterday. He is certainly no Rhodes Scholar heh.

 

[vancityluongo]

Bad contract for a pretty bad player. Just posting here to make sure I have that on the record when this gets bumped like the Eriksson thread in three years lol

 

[I am toxic]

"Yay! We got Guds! Our D problems are solved!"

"But his metrics are awful, and we gave up futures and a good prospect."

"Pedigree! Experience! Yay Guds! Extend him!"

"But now we even have the eye test to go along with the metrics, he's very bad at hockey. And there is also the cap hit."

"Grit! Intangibles!"

"Well, he only stood up for himself . . . anyway, he's gone now."

"Yay! We got Myers! Our D problems are solved!"

"But his metrics are awful, and we gave up a lot of cap space."

"Pedigree! Experience! Cap space doesn't matter!"

 

[1440]

One of two things is possible:

1) Dubas is a genius (like omg!!)

2) Barrie has a year left on his contract and there is a big risk that Barrie will walk away for nothing at the end of the season.

Or, Barrie is just not as good as people think that he is.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

One of two things is possible:

1) Dubas is a genius (like omg!!)

2) Barrie has a year left on his contract and there is a big risk that Barrie will walk away for nothing at the end of the season.

Yeah.. He keeps taking thes awful risks like signing Tavares and moving a 2nd line center that plays on their 3rd line for a young 1st pairing D man.

They will be so screwd once he stops making moves and just lies there in cap hell forever and ever.