Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign Andrei Kuzmenko

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Players ALWAYS seem to do well when they first come here and then the Aquilini dysmotivation strikes and after saying Francesco 3 times in the dark, Loui Eriksson appears.

There is ALWAYS a new player bump here.

Happens with rookies.

Happens with veterans.

Great Kuzmenko is playing well right now but how he's playing right now has zero bearing how he will play next year. Eg. JT Miller.
 

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With an eye on the rest of this season, I hope Kuzmenko has been well-briefed on how non-consensual trades work in North America. It's got to be bewildering for a European player to sign with an NHL club for a year amid much fanfare, and relocate across the world, only to be told halfway through his time in the new place "Oh now you have to move to a place a few thousand KM away in a different country on another coast, where you didn't sign and you know no one. Enjoy!"
 
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he'll have to continue to play well and put up points but i don't see any reason he'd sign early. he's gonna use kaprizov as a comp and he compares fairly well especially when you consider he'll be a ufa and kap was an rfa. he's also got one long term contract in him probably. if he doesn't get a massive offer i think he'll reup for a year or two at most and try again

Lmao… not getting 9 mil
 

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We should trade Kuz for a bunch of draft picks.

It’s found money. 100%.

He won’t get that as a pending UFA tho.

With an eye on the rest of this season, I hope Kuzmenko has been well-briefed on how non-consensual trades work in North America. It's got to be bewildering for a European player to sign with an NHL club for a year amid much fanfare, and relocate across the world, only to be told halfway through his time in the new place "Oh now you have to move to a place a few thousand KM away in a different country on another coast, where you didn't sign and you know no one. Enjoy!"

You obviously don’t follow him or his agent on Twitter. He’s going to the highest bidder even if that’s in Kalamazoo. His agent literally posts money bags when AK scores lol.
 
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It’s found money. 100%.

He won’t get that as a pending UFA tho.



You obviously don’t follow him or his agent on Twitter. He’s going to the highest bidder even if that’s in Kalamazoo. His agent literally posts money bags when AK scores lol.
That's in reference to next year as a free agent. I'm talking about getting swapped before the deadline this year.
 
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With an eye on the rest of this season, I hope Kuzmenko has been well-briefed on how non-consensual trades work in North America. It's got to be bewildering for a European player to sign with an NHL club for a year amid much fanfare, and relocate across the world, only to be told halfway through his time in the new place "Oh now you have to move to a place a few thousand KM away in a different country on another coast, where you didn't sign and you know no one. Enjoy!"
Washington where his idol plays? Pittsburgh to play with Malkin? Tampa to be with Kucherov? Panarin, there are lots of compatriots sprinkled around the league.

Maybe he signed here because he knew he would get a top six role due to the team being so shallow in depth. A means to an end.

Now the rest of the league see's him as more valuable for his next contract. He is no longer a question mark.

Allvin could have got him here as a "professional" until he can be traded so he could get his feet wet in the league and show value.

His contract make him very valuable to any team, easily worth a first, later first but a first non the less. Minimum he gets a AAA prospect back.

Players currently at almost a point per pace are getting over 6 mil a year and the Canucks are just too cap encumbered to keep him.

If the Canucks do want to "build" around Pettersson then they have to make some major moves and Kuzmenko has done everything to be the almost perfect team mate for any team.

I wasn't surprised he signed here, I was shocked.
 

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With an eye on the rest of this season, I hope Kuzmenko has been well-briefed on how non-consensual trades work in North America. It's got to be bewildering for a European player to sign with an NHL club for a year amid much fanfare, and relocate across the world, only to be told halfway through his time in the new place "Oh now you have to move to a place a few thousand KM away in a different country on another coast, where you didn't sign and you know no one. Enjoy!"

"Or......you could stay here if you sign right on this line!"
 

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With an eye on the rest of this season, I hope Kuzmenko has been well-briefed on how non-consensual trades work in North America. It's got to be bewildering for a European player to sign with an NHL club for a year amid much fanfare, and relocate across the world, only to be told halfway through his time in the new place "Oh now you have to move to a place a few thousand KM away in a different country on another coast, where you didn't sign and you know no one. Enjoy!"
Its not that bad.

Its literally his choice to move and play if he wants. He can get off the carousel and go home any time he wants.
 

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Its not that bad.

Its literally his choice to move and play if he wants. He can get off the carousel and go home any time he wants.

Yep. He signed a one year deal. Even if he was somehow oblivious to how pro hockey works, his agent will have him well briefed.

If it looks like he’s not going to be part of the long term plan here by the deadline, hopefully we can move him for a decent return. His low cap hit and ability to play with skilled players should make him appealing for a lot of contenders.
 

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Well perhaps Myers and Pearson can show him some tricks for getting more engaged by putting a stick in the oppositions hands or cross checking them into the boards when they dont have the puck.

In all seriousness they have to trade 2 of Kuzmenko Boeser and Garland by the draft or we've screwed the pooch again
 
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With an eye on the rest of this season, I hope Kuzmenko has been well-briefed on how non-consensual trades work in North America. It's got to be bewildering for a European player to sign with an NHL club for a year amid much fanfare, and relocate across the world, only to be told halfway through his time in the new place "Oh now you have to move to a place a few thousand KM away in a different country on another coast, where you didn't sign and you know no one. Enjoy!"
Im pretty sure KHL trades work the same way.

Although its all a with a hint of Vince McMahon running the show... I remember one of the best goalies in the league being traded mid season to one of the contenders for not much of anything in return. Wish I remembered the teams and player in question.
 
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He’s a free first round pick and you’re better off getting someone cost controlled for 8/9 years than shelling out large money based off of one season. Between him, Horvat, Schenn I expect some decent picks in order to rebuild the Prospect pool that is currently on life support. I expect a decent young roster player in the Horvat deal as well.

You can trade those picks to any team and anyone in order to shape your roster as well and that gives you 31 options around the league, including your own when you see who’s on the board around your pick.

Can always use extra picks to trade down or trade for players where teams need cap space. Long story short draft picks and Cap space are your two best bargaining chips in the NHL.
 
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Well perhaps Myers and Pearson can show him some tricks for getting more engaged by putting a stick in the oppositions hands or cross checking them into the boards when they dont have the puck.

In all seriousness they have to trade 2 of Kuzmenko Boeser and Garland by the draft or we've screwed the pooch again
Indeed. That along with moving Myers once his bonus is paid is the biggest necessities at this point. It's also a lot of why I will truly wait to judge this management group until they have completed their work next summer. Missteps have been made but I think there is still the chance to right the ship. I also always assumed this year would be a write off no matter what because of the contractual mess the roster was in so I don't get worked up over the shit I see on the ice (yes they made it worse yada yada yada). It was expected IMO. I also think they knew full well this could happen...they knew the team road goaltending and that was about it.

This deadline and the upcoming offseason to me was always going to be when we see the true colors and the long term plan should start to take shape because that is when the bigger blueline moves could start to be made. I put very little in the day to day musings of Rutherford or Alvin. It's standard GMs not saying anything of consequence in the first half of the season stuff. Clearly can be frustrating but I'm certainly not expecting any grand proclamations right now. I expect build one brick at a time nonsense (every plan be it rebuild or go for it is done a brick at a time).

Of the three you mention, however, Kuzmenko is the one I'd like to see stay. This is based on the assumption that the canucks are going to keep Pettersson no matter what. Those two have chemistry and honestly along with Mikheylev have formed a pretty dominating line. I think no matter the strategy management takes with the team that is something you strive to keep together.

That said, if someone wants to knock your socks off with an offer for Kuzmenko of course you do it.
 
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Indeed. That long with moving Myers once his bonus is paid is the biggest necessities at this point. It's also a lot of why I will truly wait to judge this management group until they have completed their work next summer. Missteps have been made but I think there is still the chance to right the ship. I also always assumed this year would be a write off no matter what because of the contractual mess the roster was in so I don't get worked up over the shit I see on the ice (yes they made it worse yada yada yada). It was expected IMO. I also think they knew full well this could happen...they knew the team road goaltending and that was about it.

This deadline and the upcoming offseason to me was always going to be when we see the true colors and the long term plan should start to take shape because that is when the bigger blueline moves could start to be made. I put very little in the day to day musings of Rutherford or Alvin. It's standard GMs not saying anything of consequence in the first half of the season stuff. Clearly can be frustrating but I'm certainly not expecting any grand proclamations right now. I expect build one brick at a time nonsense (every plan be it rebuild or go for it is done a brick at a time).

Of the three you mention, however, Kuzmenko is the one I'd like to see stay. This is based on the assumption that the canucks are going to keep Pettersson no matter what. Those two have chemistry and honestly along with Mikheylev have formed a pretty dominating line. I think no matter the strategy management takes with the team that is something you strive to keep together.

That said, if someone wants to knock your socks off with an offer for Kuzmenko of course you do it.
Yes i think were on the same page with how they are gonna try to proceed.

With Boeser Miller and Hughes struggling and the fact we have had arguably the worst goaltending and penalty killing in the NHL we have been doomed to failure this year.

We would have had to have a middle pack PK, Demko as a Vezina candidate and the 3 mentioned with closer to 30-35 goals at this point than the paltry 15 they have to keep us in the hunt.

Best case scenario is unfolding as far as im concerned..... provided they take advantage of the SELL off opportunity at the deadline and actually sell some players for draft picks without any contracts coming back that remain on the books beyond the off season. Unless they have strong convictions they can be part of our core going forward.

Regardless the best case scenario is 3-4 players of or all of (Garland Boeser Myers Schenn Pearson) sold for just picks we can use to strengthen the prospect pool reset some cap and then finding a top4 D and a couple players to replace that are good 200ft and can win some 1v1 battles.

A chance at a lottery winning pick (as minimal as it is) an attractive thing and even if its 8-12th OA that should be an impact player on a ELC down the road which should be huge especially a young C if they can get one.

To take this back to Kuzmenko i think there is an understanding that they both want him to be part of the future here. I would be shocked if how things have played out are discouraging enough to change the relationship but we'll see as unrestricted free agency brings risks and maybe im completely wrong and its Horvat and Kuzmenko that go but like yourself i would think playing with Pettersson and PP1 should be enticing
 
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Well perhaps Myers and Pearson can show him some tricks for getting more engaged by putting a stick in the oppositions hands or cross checking them into the boards when they dont have the puck.

In all seriousness they have to trade 2 of Kuzmenko Boeser and Garland by the draft or we've screwed the pooch again

If by some miracle they can offload Myers, then they can lose one of Boeser or Garland and be OK. If they trade both plus Myers then that'd be best, because that'd mean they probably got some picks and won't have a nightmare trying to extend Petey (which is ultimately the top priority over the next couple years).

That said of the 3 (BB, Kuz, Garland), I like Kuzmenko the most. Perhaps it's rose colored glasses or short term thinking but he has a lot more winning qualities than Brock and isn't as easily deleted as Garland is.
 

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The KHL is a baffling league. Some AHL'ers go over there and dominate. And some of the higher end prospects like Podkolzin struggle.

Kuzmenko was a ppg player in the KHL last season.....and he's close to a ppg player in the NHL with 29 points through 31 games. Meantime other Russian players with gaudy KHL stats come over and basically flop--drifting from team to team before heading back home.

I wouldn't want to be scout trying to figure out what players to consider signing out of the KHL. Of course being a Russian scout would mean you'd have to spend a certain amount of time actually living there. No thanks!
 

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The KHL is a baffling league. Some AHL'ers go over there and dominate. And some of the higher end prospects like Podkolzin struggle.

Kuzmenko was a ppg player in the KHL last season.....and he's close to a ppg player in the NHL with 29 points through 31 games. Meantime other Russian players with gaudy KHL stats come over and basically flop--drifting from team to team before heading back home.

I wouldn't want to be scout trying to figure out what players to consider signing out of the KHL. Of course being a Russian scout would mean you'd have to spend a certain amount of time actually living there. No thanks!

A big part of it, and this is from Kuzmenko himself, is time and space. There's a lot more of it in the KHL so players have time to think and get into position while the NHL is a much faster paced league with larger and more skilled players. Kuzmenko mentioned that his game translates well because he likes to work in tight spaces and make fast plays. He said, and this was at and around the beginning of the season, that there will be an adjustment period but his style fits into the NHL. Given that Allvin has been in contact with him and his agent for a number of years, it seems that's a trait they identified a while ago.

That's why you'll see small and/or slow guys succeed in the KHL while in North America they topped out as bottom of the roster PP specialists or AHLers.
 
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I’m tired of all these tepid, low expectations from the likes of Drancer and most posters here. Look at his highlights. Look at the way we skates and handles the puck, his smarts. This player is going to be a star. He reminds me of Kucherov. Let’s get excited.
Some of us are not surprised with his success
 

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The KHL is a baffling league. Some AHL'ers go over there and dominate. And some of the higher end prospects like Podkolzin struggle.

Kuzmenko was a ppg player in the KHL last season.....and he's close to a ppg player in the NHL with 29 points through 31 games. Meantime other Russian players with gaudy KHL stats come over and basically flop--drifting from team to team before heading back home.

I wouldn't want to be scout trying to figure out what players to consider signing out of the KHL. Of course being a Russian scout would mean you'd have to spend a certain amount of time actually living there. No thanks!
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