Rumor: Canucks interested in Vatanen, Hamonic, and Gustafsson

[Havre]

Not sure if he is the guy the Canucks need for their rebuild, but whatever...

 

[Teflon Jim]

I listed what they have on the books for the 21-22 season.

Those salaries get shifted from those guys to Hughes & Pettersson.

That's why they can do a 1 year deal, but not multi-year.

Beagle, Erickson Roussel expire in two years and ep and qhs elc expire in one year.

 

[innitfam]

Whatever. Just sign a damn defenseman or two after this debacle.

 

[vanarchy]

VaNcOuVeR FlAmEs

That would have played if we had signed 2 or 3 of your players. One rumored signing, not so much.

 

[Cogburn]

That would have played if we had signed 2 or 3 of your players. One rumored signing, not so much.

We ran Granlund out, and Baertschi may resurface, but this is a whole new phase from years past. Hamonic aside, I don't think there are too many cast off Flames I'm super interested in.

 

[Petrus]

Canucks can't do multi year deals because they have so many bad contracts on the books for 21-22. Roussel, Beagle, Eriksson and Ferland and Luongo recapture is $18.5 million alone.

Throw in the increase to Hughes and Petterson which would likely come in around $18 mill that puts them at $36.5 mill. Add in Boeser, Myers, Miller and Horvat for antoher $23 million, that puts them at basically $60 million for 10 guys.

If Demko plays well, he'd get a short term deal around $3.5 - $4 mill pushing the combined goalie costs to $8 million give or take. So, at $68 mill for 12 guys.

Leaves $13 mil for 11 roster spots. So, they need a bunch of ELC or low cap hit guys. And Virtanen and Gaudette will likely come in at a combined $4.5 million. So, more like 9 guys for the $8.5 mill.

They can't afford to give Vatanen term. Plus with a shortened season and high escrow, a 1 year deal doesn't give him much in the end with 20% escrow and 10% deferral and 1/3 of the salary lost due to prorated season IMO. $6 mill drops to $4 mill then $3.2 mill after escrow and another $400K for deferral, so down to $2.8 mill in taxable salary.

I didn’t realize the cap situation is that challenging.

 

[Srsly]

It’ll be interesting to see where he ends up. He could potentially be the biggest steal of a defensemen in this UFA class if he recaptures some of the skill he showed in Anaheim and can put his current injuries behind him. It’s an interesting choice to sign him rather than Tanev if Tanev’s injuries were in fact a factor in that decision.

 

[Rowlet]

Not sure if he is the guy the Canucks need for their rebuild, but whatever...

Is it still a rebuild after they won two rounds in the postseason?

 

[StreetHawk]

Beagle, Erickson Roussel expire in two years and ep and qhs elc expire in one year.

that is correct.

Right those 3 bad contracts expire at the end of the 21-22 season. Quinn/petey expire after this upcoming season of 20-21. Then they make their big money starting in the 21-22 season while Eriksson and co. are still on the books.

Sutter, Pearson, Edler, Benn, Sven, etc. their deals expire at the end of 20-21 season, so not on the books for 21-22. Different scenario had they given less term to Eriksson, Beagle and Rousell. But, it's not and that $12 mill will be on the books for another season.

I don't see what the issue is about Sutter/Pearson and co. That group comes off after this upcoming season of 20-21 and and Petey/Hughes also come off ELC.

The Canucks are tight on the cap after the 20-21 season. Once Petey and Hughes come off elc, the canucks have to shift the cap hits of the guys coming off the books like Sutter and co. over to them while replacing their roster spots with cheap options.

There is no salary cap space to add help.

 

[Havre]

Is it still a rebuild after they won two rounds in the postseason?

Clearly we need a new one now.

Just lost two of our best players. Will be great to see how Pettersson and Hughes are fitting under the cap 12 months from now. Might as well bite the bullet and start the rebuild now.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I doubt Hamonic plays this season

Vatanen cant stay healthy for long - even when he plays 70 in a season hes injured for 20+ of it

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Canucks can't do multi year deals because they have so many bad contracts on the books for 21-22. Roussel, Beagle, Eriksson and Ferland and Luongo recapture is $18.5 million alone.

Throw in the increase to Hughes and Petterson which would likely come in around $18 mill that puts them at $36.5 mill. Add in Boeser, Myers, Miller and Horvat for antoher $23 million, that puts them at basically $60 million for 10 guys.

If Demko plays well, he'd get a short term deal around $3.5 - $4 mill pushing the combined goalie costs to $8 million give or take. So, at $68 mill for 12 guys.

Leaves $13 mil for 11 roster spots. So, they need a bunch of ELC or low cap hit guys. And Virtanen and Gaudette will likely come in at a combined $4.5 million. So, more like 9 guys for the $8.5 mill.

They can't afford to give Vatanen term. Plus with a shortened season and high escrow, a 1 year deal doesn't give him much in the end with 20% escrow and 10% deferral and 1/3 of the salary lost due to prorated season IMO. $6 mill drops to $4 mill then $3.2 mill after escrow and another $400K for deferral, so down to $2.8 mill in taxable salary.

Canucks will buyout Erkisson next year which saves 2 million and Ferland will be on LTIR which is 3.5 million. Also because they have no cap allocated for 22-23 they can buyout contracts with our having to worry. Roussel and Beagle have contracts that are buyout friendly. They could also bridge Demko with one year contract because in a year they will have more cap flexibility. Plus that's not even looking at who Seattle takes in the expansion draft if they take Holtby that gives them more flexibility.

 

[StreetHawk]

Clearly we need a new one now.

Just lost two of our best players. Will be great to see how Pettersson and Hughes are fitting under the cap 12 months from now. Might as well bite the bullet and start the rebuild now.

That's why the Canucks aren't offering term. They couldn't move out contracts. Not surprising given that Benning couldn't move a guy with term like Sven to LA in the Toffoli deal instead of an expiring contract like Schaller.

Too much up in the air for them. Ferland went on IR 3 times due to head injuries. He's going to try again, so they have to allocate cap room for him.

While I do think they can unload a Beagle/Roussel to Seattle with an asset or something, they can't be factoring that in for this off-season.

Plus who knows how this year plays out with Covid. When will a vaccine be ready and will the federal governments allow CAD/US teams to cross the border?

 

[Just Linda]

Totally thought the title said Virtanen at first glance.

Vatanen makes some sense.

I have trouble telling the two names apart. Hope they don't get him

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Clearly we need a new one now.

Just lost two of our best players. Will be great to see how Pettersson and Hughes are fitting under the cap 12 months from now. Might as well bite the bullet and start the rebuild now.

Bahahahah what?

 

[StreetHawk]

Canucks will buyout Erkisson next year which saves 2 million and Ferland will be on LTIR which is 3.5 million. Also because they have no cap allocated for 22-23 they can buyout contracts with our having to worry. Roussel and Beagle have contracts that are buyout friendly. They could also bridge Demko with one year contract because in a year they will have more cap flexibility. Plus that's not even looking at who Seattle takes in the expansion draft if they take Holtby that gives them more flexibility.

All of that is possible, but that shouldn't be included in this off-season. Way too many question markets. Plus for buyouts, you have to factor in replacement costs if the player is a roster player. So, you can buyout Eriksson for a $4 mill dead cap hit, but someone is taking his roster spot at say $800K-$1 mill. So, savings is $1 mill give or take that you can shift to someone else.

 

[The Moose is Loose]

I have a feeling both Vatanen and Hamonic will get overpaid. If either get over 4 million with any term that’s an overpay

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Clearly we need a new one now.

Just lost two of our best players. Will be great to see how Pettersson and Hughes are fitting under the cap 12 months from now. Might as well bite the bullet and start the rebuild now.

What the hell have you been watching Tanev is not the same player he was a couple years ago. Hughes carried him. That is why a bunch of analytics community was saying the Canucks should pass on him.

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

Vatanen is a good option after striking out so many times so far this off season.

 

[Havre]

That's why the Canucks aren't offering term. They couldn't move out contracts. Not surprising given that Benning couldn't move a guy with term like Sven to LA in the Toffoli deal instead of an expiring contract like Schaller.

Too much up in the air for them. Ferland went on IR 3 times due to head injuries. He's going to try again, so they have to allocate cap room for him.

While I do think they can unload a Beagle/Roussel to Seattle with an asset or something, they can't be factoring that in for this off-season.

Plus who knows how this year plays out with Covid. When will a vaccine be ready and will the federal governments allow CAD/US teams to cross the border?

Covid-19 lockdown of the NHL until the summer of 2023 wouldn't be so bad for the Canucks.

 

[exporta]

Barrie to EDM is a headscratcher really. I don't know if the rumored 6M offer that he left on the table is legit or not. But if it is, then the 3.75M price is an aberration. How many players out there really, truly want to join team X so badly that they will accept such a discount? If Barrie really thinks he can pump up his value & cash in in one year's time, more power to him. But I cannot see Vatanen following suit. His time is now, COVID or not.

Of course, if he's cornered and running out of suitors, then he could sign for league minimum for all I know. But that doesn't seem to be the case right now.

I think in a non-flat cap nhl, he thinks he's worth far more than $6M on a long-term deal. In Vancouver he'd likely be playing behind Huges.

In comments made after leaving Toronto, he wasn't thrilled with 2nd PP minutes, and excels at pp qb.

He immediately becomes the #1 option on a pp that has two top NHL players arguably top 5, on the same line.

He's betting on himself until the league recovers.

 

[Mal Reynolds]

I doubt Hamonic plays this season

I tend to think this as well, with his decision to opt out for play-ins

His reasons for doing so definitely haven't gone away

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Not a bad option for a team in need of a defenseman.

 

[BCNate]

No Brodie. No Tanev. No OEL. No money for Pietrangelo. No Krug.

Vatanen seems about right for plan F.

Vatanen would be a massive upgrade from Stecher.

 

[Cogburn]

Vatanen would be a massive upgrade from Stecher.

If we get him on a comparable contract, sure he would be.

Or he'd be a slight improvement on Tanev, and we'd still have Myers as our top RHD though.

Vatanen would be fine if he and Holtby weren't the only adds to our geam., Given what we've lost.