Value of: Canucks contract(s) to NJ Devils

[GoldenSeal]

MOM, GRAB THE DUNCE CAP

Oh come on, this was impressively bad

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Jordie Benn interest you?

I'd hope to aim higher than that personally

 

[Johnsie19]

I'd hope to aim higher than that personally

He'll be free whenever you want him

 

[devils29]

I mean as I said Sutter at 2.1 for one yr is a good bottom 6 player this would improve many teams. The return can be nothing, just looking to not shed a prospect in the deal.

We have enough bottom pair D. We aren’t going to help you for another one

 

[Johnsie19]

We have enough bottom pair D. We aren’t going to help you for another one

Sutter is a forward. Can play center or wing. His play is totally fine in the bottom 6 but his best attribute to the devils would be his leadership and professionalism for your young fwds.

 

[devils29]

Sutter is a forward. Can play center or wing. His play is totally fine in the bottom 6 but his best attribute to the devils would be his leadership and professionalism for your young fwds.

Regardless we aren’t taking a 4th line forward than for $2mil to help Vancouver out

 

[TBF1972]

the Devils have cap space, but they aren't swimming in it as much as they were a week ago after adding Murray, Crawford, and Johnsson (~$12 million between the three of them). They have ~$18 million right now and they need to re-sign Bratt and Blackwood. I figure those two combined will probably get ~$6-7 million between the two of them, so they are down to $11-12 million in space. There are some rumblings that they have an internal cap from one of the Devils writers, but no real hard evidence either way.

Keep in mind that the Devils still need to add another DMan in all likelihood, even if you assume Ty Smith is going to make the team. As of right now, even with Smith, Connor Carrick would be one of the 6 regular DMen and yeah that is no bueno.

So long story short, they have space, but I don't really have much interest in taking a cap dump unless it is really worth our while. Virtanen intrigues me a little bit, but not as much now that they acquired Johnsson

they only have 15m, if you consider potential bonuses to be paid. 15m with 7/8 contracts to sign to fill out the roster. there is not a lot of wiggle room. i think fitz rushed things a little with the johnsson trade. there could have been better options available.

 

[Johnsie19]

Regardless we aren’t taking a 4th line forward than for $2mil to help Vancouver out

He would be of help to many teams. Did we help out Vegas in taking Schmidt? Yup but we also beat the rest of the league to a top player for pennies on the dollar. I don't need to force it down your throat but he is a player that contributes and would especially on a young team. I would imagine someone would take him if we retained 50%.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I mean as I said Sutter at 2.1 for one yr is a good bottom 6 player this would improve many teams. The return can be nothing, just looking to not shed a prospect in the deal.

Helpful or not Vancouver would be paying to cut his full or retained salary, if moved before the season

Only time youd move him without a down payment is at the deadline if he plays above his average

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

He would be of help to many teams. Did we help out Vegas in taking Schmidt? Yup but we also beat the rest of the league to a top player for pennies on the dollar. I don't need to force it down your throat but he is a player that contributes and would especially on a young team. I would imagine someone would take him if we retained 50%.

Schmidt is an excellent top 4 dman and Sutter is just a terrible player that contributes negative value.

 

[devils29]

He would be of help to many teams. Did we help out Vegas in taking Schmidt? Yup but we also beat the rest of the league to a top player for pennies on the dollar. I don't need to force it down your throat but he is a player that contributes and would especially on a young team. I would imagine someone would take him if we retained 50%.

I don’t want him. Sounds like Other devils fans don’t want him. Best of luck to you giving him to another team. Using Schmidt as a comparison is comparing apples to snorkel equipment. You aren’t even in the same category

 

[Nucker101]

Virtanen is far from a cap dump, even in this current market. 15 goals from a 3rd line winger who has speed, size, throws some hits and has decent possession stats, those guys definitely bring value to a team.

Sutter, Benn, Baertschi and the rest are trash and pure dumps at their cap hits, although Sutter at 50% isn't too bad of a cap dump to take on, he's still a decent role player who can PK when healthy but his soft tissue injuries are piling up. He's the type of player who has no value right now at even 50% but would probably be able to fetch a later round draft pick at the TDL if he's at 50% of his cap hit. Coaches always want an extra veteran capable of playing responsible defensively/PK'ing at center ice.

 

[Peter Griffin]

He'll be free whenever you want him

We’ve already packed him a bag.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Virtanen is a dime a dozen player, generic bottom-6 player. The only reason people try to attach value to him is because of his draft position. Even in a normal market I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd or C prospect for him. With the way things are now, he'd have to be essentially free.

Even then, he'd be competing for 3rd line duties with guys like Wood, Boqvist, and Zacha. I'm not convinced he's better than any of them.

 

[Canuck86]

Virtanen is a dime a dozen player, generic bottom-6 player. The only reason people try to attach value to him is because of his draft position. Even in a normal market I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd or C prospect for him. With the way things are now, he'd have to be essentially free.

Even then, he'd be competing for 3rd line duties with guys like Wood, Boqvist, and Zacha. I'm not convinced he's better than any of them.

Would Virtanen for Wood work, or Pearson

 

[Johnsie19]

I don’t want him. Sounds like Other devils fans don’t want him. Best of luck to you giving him to another team. Using Schmidt as a comparison is comparing apples to snorkel equipment. You aren’t even in the same category

The point was a counter to your idea that it is just doing the Canucks a favor, the reality is Sutter at 2 mil helps many teams, just as Schmidt at 6 helps the Canucks. Hell if Sutter just made 2 mil we wouldn't be talking trade unless it was for a 3rd round pick.

 

[Johnsie19]

Schmidt is an excellent top 4 dman and Sutter is just a terrible player that contributes negative value.

Totally serviceable bottom 6 player. Defensively sound and great leader. Easily enough qualities to garner 2 mil cap hit. Wasn't comparing him to Schmidt as a player, as you well know, but to the "doing us a favor" by taking him theory.

 

[Johnsie19]

Helpful or not Vancouver would be paying to cut his full or retained salary, if moved before the season

Only time youd move him without a down payment is at the deadline if he plays above his average

If we retain 50% I don't think he would cost anything to move. That is from the perspective that if he made 2 mil we'd be happy to keep him as he can contribute in a few different ways.

 

[Spoiled Bratt]

I’d take Virtanen for Seney.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Totally serviceable bottom 6 player. Defensively sound and great leader. Easily enough qualities to garner 2 mil cap hit. Wasn't comparing him to Schmidt as a player, as you well know, but to the "doing us a favor" by taking him theory.

Overwhelmingly negative impact player with a terrible contract. No upside to taking him without a big sweetener.

 

[devils29]

If we retain 50% I don't think he would cost anything to move. That is from the perspective that if he made 2 mil we'd be happy to keep him as he can contribute in a few different ways.

Schmidt cost a 3rd, Murray cost a 5th, AJ cost Joey Anderson (so basically nothing) all of those players have WAY more value than Sutter. Teams know Vancouver has to move cap, no one is going to take Sutters cap “because he’s a good leader”. Vancouver is going to have to pony up assets to move cap

 

[TBF1972]

Virtanen is far from a cap dump, even in this current market. 15 goals from a 3rd line winger who has speed, size, throws some hits and has decent possession stats, those guys definitely bring value to a team.

Sutter, Benn, Baertschi and the rest are trash and pure dumps at their cap hits, although Sutter at 50% isn't too bad of a cap dump to take on, he's still a decent role player who can PK when healthy but his soft tissue injuries are piling up. He's the type of player who has no value right now at even 50% but would probably be able to fetch a later round draft pick at the TDL if he's at 50% of his cap hit. Coaches always want an extra veteran capable of playing responsible defensively/PK'ing at center ice.

virtanen can't be a cap dump. he has no contract. if you don't want him, just don't sign him.

 

[TBF1972]

Would Virtanen for Wood work, or Pearson

virtanen for pearson works for me.

 

[Nucker101]

virtanen can't be a cap dump. he has no contract. if you don't want him, just don't sign him.

Of course, but I'm assuming he's willing to sign for or will be awarded a contract between 2.5M-3M AAV

 

[Donuts]

Eriksson for nj 1st