To get the guy we keep turning down
TSN: Canes trying to extend Pesce this summer but will trade him if no agreement; Sabres & Oilers are interested
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Oilers 2024 1st, Bourgault or Holloway plus Ceci should be enough then.
Oilers desperately need a 2nd pair shut down RD
rattled response? lol thats funny and completely false.Delusional if you don’t think Holland wants to go out on a high note, and not be known as an over the hill GM who couldn’t succeed with McDavid. This is Holland’s last and final hurrah.
I do appreciate the rattled response though
Duh of course he wants to go out on a high note, thats usually what happens when an athlete or manager is on the last year of their contract with retirement waiting for them. No one wants to come up short. Holy shit this guy!!
This thread - like so many others - seems to have descended into chaos.
I can't say the same for Kevyn Adams - but i certainly DON'T see JJ Peterka as some kind of untouchable piece. Let's not turn into Rangers fans where we are labelling every somewhat valuable player in our organisation as being untouchable & offering complete garbage for other teams' valuable assets. It's embarassing.
IMO our current untouchables are Skinner (NMC), Thompson, Tuch, Cozens, Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson, Levi. That's it. Others might be added in future - but not yet.
If Carolina offered Pesce + for JJP - I'd certainly listen.
We already know that there won't be room for all of our young forward players/prospects - even as early as next season.
If we traded JJP - we'd still have the following 10 players competing for the top 9 roster slots :
Skinner, Thompson, Cozens, Tuch, Greenway, Mitts, Krebs, Quinn, Savoie, Kulich.
That's assuming we trade Olofsson, allow Jost/Hinostroza to walk & also assuming we acquire a legit 4C to play between Girg/Okposo, bumping Krebs up into the top 9.
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With that said - it certainly seems simpler for us to move 13OV for a guy like Pesce, before using the pick on another prospect for people to get overly attached to.
Pesce for 13 serms like a fair framework for a deal - with Carolina likely flipping that pick immediately for forward help.
I can't say the same for Kevyn Adams - but i certainly DON'T see JJ Peterka as some kind of untouchable piece. Let's not turn into Rangers fans where we are labelling every somewhat valuable player in our organisation as being untouchable & offering complete garbage for other teams' valuable assets. It's embarassing.
IMO our current untouchables are Skinner (NMC), Thompson, Tuch, Cozens, Dahlin, Power, Samuelsson, Levi. That's it. Others might be added in future - but not yet.
If Carolina offered Pesce + for JJP - I'd certainly listen.
We already know that there won't be room for all of our young forward players/prospects - even as early as next season.
If we traded JJP - we'd still have the following 10 players competing for the top 9 roster slots :
Skinner, Thompson, Cozens, Tuch, Greenway, Mitts, Krebs, Quinn, Savoie, Kulich.
That's assuming we trade Olofsson, allow Jost/Hinostroza to walk & also assuming we acquire a legit 4C to play between Girg/Okposo, bumping Krebs up into the top 9.
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With that said - it certainly seems simpler for us to move 13OV for a guy like Pesce, before using the pick on another prospect for people to get overly attached to.
Pesce for 13 serms like a fair framework for a deal - with Carolina likely flipping that pick immediately for forward help.
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This was in response to a previous post (#280)... By a Carolina fan.
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Asinine & immoral
You say that as if there will be no other offers and Colorado are doing them a favour
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Nobody said Peterka was untouchable .. he is just untouchable in this deal because Pesce is not the type of defenseman that commands that type of return.
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No one is saying Peterka is untouchable. It’s just a fact that young players of his caliber don’t get traded for pending UFAs. If Carolina moves Pesce, they’re getting futures offers. If they don’t want futures, then they can trade them to somebody who does for a win now player. That’s how these trades work.
Lol - i think you need to better understand what type of player Pesce is.
He's absolutely everything we'd need in a potential top 4 acquisition. You might argue that in an ideal world he'd be younger - but if that were the case he wouldn't come close to being available.
The obvious assumption here is that he'd be willing to sign a reasonsble extension. By reasonsble i don't mean cheap - just not extortionately expensive.
Assuming Savoie or Kulich could step into a sheltered top 9 role sooner or later - I'd really have no problem dealing JJP for Pesce. Especially if Carolina was willing to add.
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I've seen you make this arguement more than once:
Young high calibre players/prospects do not often get traded. However - teams do not often have such an abundance of them as we currently do.
I'd also argue that from Carolina's POV - acquiring JJP would not be MUCH less of a 'futures' move than acquiring a draft pick or a prospect like Rosen. JJP is 21 years old about to enter year 2 of his ELC. He's not a proven superstar at the peak of his prime.
The difference between Peterka & a Rosen is that he's a little further along to the point where he could be useful to a contender. I can see why that attracts a team like Carolina.
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And isn't the bolded to be taken more than merely in to consideration when discussing these types of moves?
And what I mean is the following: Adams is keeping last seasons forward group together, all are signed except Jost and in yesterday's press conference he said he is working to bring him back as well.
And to be quite frank, that forward group was the central piece to them being the 3rd highest scoring team in the NHL, so Adams has the cap space, the non roster pieces, to play lets make a deal with. It isnt like he has to move any of them to be honest, he can look to UFA, hes getting a D man one way or the other, and i dont see him moving an existing roster piece nor any of the high end prospects, to do it, and clearly his actions to this point solidify that line of thought. The couple of constants with Adams and Granato is "players that want to be here, locker room chemistry, breed longterm success", that's their plan, their goal, and to date they've adhered to it methodically and the results show it is working
That's not to say if a sweetheart of a deal gets put on his desk he won't, but it would have to be one hell of a sweetheart deal, think Pesce re-signed at 5 to 6 mil for 4 to 6 yrs type of deal. And I don't see that happening, do you?
We're not looking for an 8+ mil a season D man here, we're already going to have 2 of those young studs on the roster in Dahlin and Power. Adams is looking for the right RHD, not the flashiest name. And while there are rumors of inquiries on the likes of players such as Hanifin, Pesce, I don't believe for 1 second Adams is going to move any roster forward save Olofsson for those guys. As I said for the reasons above, he doesn't have to.
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I know what kind of player he is. I agree he would fit nice. I just can't think of a defensive oriented dman that brought back that type of young player with JJs upside. I agree he will get a 1st rounder
RE Adams' strategy - you could be right.
But if we're now at the point where he wants Kulich or Savoie to get NHL ice time - SOMEONE beyond Olofsson will have to be moved out. Never mind some of the other guys knocking on the door such as Rousek or Rosen.
He's also neglected D/G for too long. I'm hoping this is the offseason where he finally addresses it properly.
It's easy to plug UFA names into your lineup for next season - but the truth is that UFAs are rarely worth the contracts they earn & it's especially unlikely a team like ours has success in the UFA market. We've got the assets to acquire the perfect guy - weather its Pesce or someone else - Adams just needs to make that happen.
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As i said above - we're in a somewhat unique situation with our current group of young offensive players/prospects.
To add - in a vacuum - i don't think JJP has much difference in value to #13. In some respects it might even make more sense to move JJP & use #13 on another guy who's ELC is pushed further into the future. I think it's unlikely - but there is some logic to the thought.
1 yeaf of Pesce for JJP makes sense if the Sabres were a contending team.
The cost to acquire one year of Pesce is too high for where the Sabres currently are. Maybe the Sabres are a year away, or three years away, for this kind of deal.
The cost to acquire one year of Pesce is too high for where the Sabres currently are. Maybe the Sabres are a year away, or three years away, for this kind of deal.
It's possible - but i'd assume JJP's value is far greater.
While Krebs also brings sone more unique attributes to the group as a whole.
It really shouldn't even need to be said at this point - but any Pesce proposal would be based on the assumption an extension is worked out.
Eventually the Sabres will be in a situation where there are too many NHL ready forwards with legit-top 6 upside. I dont think they need to force the issue until maybe a year before waivers.
Next offseason will probably see a forward moved (one of Mitts/JJP/Krebs) if Kulich is ready for the NHL. Too soon still.
With the Sabres. Not necessarily with another team. Players getting traded with an extension worked out remains the exception.
Next offseason will probably see a forward moved (one of Mitts/JJP/Krebs) if Kulich is ready for the NHL. Too soon still.
With the Sabres. Not necessarily with another team. Players getting traded with an extension worked out remains the exception.
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See, that's where opinions part ways. Your opinion is he neglected defense and goaltending, my opinion is Donny and him took the time to see who they have, if they were going to buy in to the system, what they were working with. This roster was the youngest in the league, time was needed to develop, assess. Adams even publicly stated before last season began that the playoffs weren't the primary goal.
He'll address the defense this off season, he may even address the goaltending situation, if there's a reasonable deal to be had there. But based on his actions combined with his comments to date, what he won't do is overpay, put the team in a bad position cap wise for short term success. This team can make the playoffs without a move now based on growth and development year over year. He's repeatedly stated "longterm success". These circumstances should be taken in to account when viewing potential deals to be made under Adams and Granato's tenure imho.
I don't see a trade happening with any roster piece from the forward ranks save Olofsson.
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Pesce to the Sabres? Konecny to the Blues? NHL offseason perfect fits
As the offseason carousel picks up, Harman Dayal and Max Bultman pick their "perfect fits" between player and team.
Seems fair, Carolina could nab a pretty damn big fish if they turned around and flipped Ostlund + their 1st as a package.
Pesce at 6x6 has a lot of value. I wouldn't want to trade the 13th overall until I knew who might be on the board.
I think that JJP has more value than Krebs. Maybe. Would do JJP or Krebs+2024 2nd for Pesce (signed 6x6 extension).
I've got this notion of NHL arrivals, Savoie in 23, Kulich 24, Rosen 25, Ostlund 26. Ostlund maybe a crucial cost controlled center the Sabres could use when we are a cap team. Not eager to move him.
I think that JJP has more value than Krebs. Maybe. Would do JJP or Krebs+2024 2nd for Pesce (signed 6x6 extension).
I've got this notion of NHL arrivals, Savoie in 23, Kulich 24, Rosen 25, Ostlund 26. Ostlund maybe a crucial cost controlled center the Sabres could use when we are a cap team. Not eager to move him.
Or instead he could be proactive - if it leads to the biggest hole remaining on the team being filled?
IMO Mitts is next in line for a long term extension a la Thompson/Cozens.
And if he wants BOTH Savoie/Kulich in the lineup - that's two guys who will eventually be moved out further down the line...
No it doesn't. There are many examples - just look at the big trades which typically happen this time of year.
In this case it's quite clear that Pesce wants a long term extension & the entire premise of the rumour is that Carolina isn't willing to do it.
While an exact deal can't be agreed upon & signed between a player/another team - it will be more than possible to discuss/gauge interest & intent before the trade is finalised.
I'm not even sure why Jokiharju is any deal. He is only 24 and I believe he has two years of team control not one. For sure, it's a major upgrade on D but Sabres are giving up a good 4 or 5 d man. This doesn't solve depth issues on RD at all.
Sorry, Oloffson at 50% retained is a PP specialist guy at $2.85 M. No value. Are you kidding? Flip and get back a second because, you will.
And Rosen stats are considerably better in the second half. After Kulich and Savoie, he is the 3rd best forward prospect in a stacked system. A 14th overall. He's 20. He's a blue-chip prospect.
Rosen and Jokiharju should be more than enough for one year of Pesce but I don't even want that deal.
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