Canadian Team Executive says incompetence of Matthews Deal will affect the rest of the League

[Belzebob]

I'm sure there are stats out there that show how many points Nylander figured into Matthews totals. Also, we're going back 2yrs here.

try to be reasonable.

there are actual points.....

and projected points.

one means playoff success.

the other means knocked out by the bruins

 

[King Mapes]

Yeah I think Marner is better, definitely think he's one of those guys you guys think is not as good as AM and then you lose him and realize it only then.

Okay you realize I agreed with you right? I said not at he same age, though.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Okay you realize I agreed with you right? I said not at he same age, though.

They separated by 4 months.

FOUR MONTHS...

 

[Pass the Saitl Sauce]

Yeah I think Marner is better, definitely think he's one of those guys you guys think is not as good as AM and then you lose him and realize it only then.

Marner/Matthews is similar to st.louis/lecavalier
Big goal scoring centre vs smaller more dynamic winger. Player vs player I prefer marner

 

[LeafsNation75]

Yeah I think Marner is better, definitely think he's one of those guys you guys think is not as good as AM and then you lose him and realize it only then.

Marner/Matthews is similar to st.louis/lecavalier
Big goal scoring centre vs smaller more dynamic winger. Player vs player I prefer marner

Seeing as how Toronto has both Matthews and Marner I think it's the best of both worlds. Obviously some people might like one more than the other, however the reality is there is no wrong answer when choosing between them.

 

[King Mapes]

They separated by 4 months.

FOUR MONTHS...

I'm talking within draft years. Immediately after the draft Marner went back to the CHL. AM scored 40 goals.

 

[snopro31]

What team made up of $3 million players is winning anything?

You missed what I said.

I'll re-word it.

If the players didn't care about the money and max contracts and actually wanted to play hockey and win they would settle for less money each to get a winning team.

Cause there is ZERO reason a hockey player should make the money they do.

 

[King Mapes]

You missed what I said.

I'll re-word it.

If the players didn't care about the money and max contracts and actually wanted to play hockey and win they would settle for less money each to get a winning team.

Cause there is ZERO reason a hockey player should make the money they do.

If they didn't make the money they do it would just go to the owners. Money has to go somewhere a. I'd rather the ones actually entertaining me get it. Plus can you blame the players?

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

intellectual dishonesty is saying that a player that has played one full season out of 2 and a half seasons, is worth the money he is being paid is homerism

When Matthews came back, he had missed less time in his career than McDavid had to the same point in time. How would you argue that nugget should have affected Connor's negotiating position, say in terms of percentages lost?

 

[Newsworthy]

6 Years for Nylander with a $6.9 million AAV is still better than 8 years with a $8.5 million AAV Draisaitl is getting.

Leon Draisatl is only 23 years old and getting better. On pace for over 85 points and 40 goals this year.
Leon is twice the player NYLANDER is.
Mathews and Leon are similar talents and
McDavid is in another class entirely. People talk about what McDavid gets but let's look at Kucherov and Kane.
Mathews and NyLander didn't want to take a discount. Despite what Shanny preaches about making sacrifices they chose the money.
I don't blame Dubas either.
I think Marner being from Toronto may. In the end Leaf s will be fine. Caps going up and they will make the necessary adjustments.

 

[Dache]

If Dubas had caved to Nylander he would have given him the 8 years and $8.5 million AAV he was originally asking for.

To be fair, what would it have cost to buy two more UFA years? Another mil per year is probably fair, that would have brought the AAV to 8, which is not far off.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

think Marner being from Toronto may. In the end Leaf s will be fine. Caps going up and they will make the necessary adjustments.

Yes, if nylander and matthees would had settle for a discount... Now he will just compare himself to the other 2 best players behind him.

Theres no way he get less than matthews if its 5 years. The culture in toronto lockeroom is really not good and all about me.myself.and.i

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Leon Draisatl is only 23 years old and getting better. On pace for over 85 points and 40 goals this year.
Leon is twice the player NYLANDER is.
Mathews and Leon are similar talents and
McDavid is in another class entirely. People talk about what McDavid gets but let's look at Kucherov and Kane.
Mathews and NyLander didn't want to take a discount. Despite what Shanny preaches about making sacrifices they chose the money.
I don't blame Dubas either.
I think Marner being from Toronto may. In the end Leaf s will be fine. Caps going up and they will make the necessary adjustments.

Again, Matthews and Draisaitl are similar if you consider 30% production difference at the same point in their careers "similar" or if you assume both are finished developing (without factoring one guy playing 2/3 of his time with McDavid and the other playing with.......)..

 

[Newsworthy]

Again, Matthews and Draisaitl are similar if you consider 30% production difference at the same point in their careers "similar" or if you assume both are finished developing (without factoring one guy playing 2/3 of his time with McDavid and the other playing with.......)..

Playing with McDavid vs Playing on a team that is an offensive juggernaut.
What's the difference?
If any I would say Mathews has the slight advantage.
Players develop at different paces and comparing Mathews to Leon is no slight on him. Leon isn't a great skater but he's a terrific player.

I think Mathews has another level and perhaps a higher ceiling but he needs to stay healthy.
I see a lot of potential with Mathews and think talent wise he easily passes Draisatl and even Marner.
Mathews skill level is undeniable. He should be the best player on the Leafs and top 10 talent in the NHL.

 

[JD1]

If they didn't make the money they do it would just go to the owners. Money has to go somewhere a. I'd rather the ones actually entertaining me get it. Plus can you blame the players?

Here in ottawa following the Melnyk shenanigans is sometimes more entertaining than watching hockey so i guess it only makes sense that we are a cap floor team and Melnyk pockets the profit

 

[ijuka]

I'm talking within draft years. Immediately after the draft Marner went back to the CHL. AM scored 40 goals.

That's because Matthews's 8 months older. 4 months is less than 8 months, hence comparing them like that makes no sense.

Still, that argument is pretty dumb in general. Matthews simply was more NHL-ready, but that doesn't at all mean that he's better than Marner right now. In fact, he's not even close at the moment.

 

[Yackiberg8]

You never answered me if you think the Oilers should have also waited before McDavid signed his extension in July 2017? You said there was no rush for Matthews to sign his and wouldn't you have also said that about McDavid?

McDavid signed a team friendly deal so why would the team have waited. I’m saying Matthews wanted more than he should have got so the team should’ve used more time to negotiate.

This is my opinion, I’m not an NHL GM and I like to think Dubas knows what he’s doing but it’s pretty hard to wrap my head around why he would’ve given Matthews this deal. Seems totally unnecessary based on what Matthews has accomplished and all conparables.

 

[Yackiberg8]

Playing with McDavid vs Playing on a team that is an offensive juggernaut.
What's the difference?
If any I would say Mathews has the slight advantage.
Players develop at different paces and comparing Mathews to Leon is no slight on him. Leon isn't a great skater but he's a terrific player.

I think Mathews has another level and perhaps a higher ceiling but he needs to stay healthy.
I see a lot of potential with Mathews and think talent wise he easily passes Draisatl and even Marner.
Mathews skill level is undeniable. He should be the best player on the Leafs and top 10 talent in the NHL.

Draisaitl is a good player but playing with McDavid is no question the best seat in the house in terms of playing in the NHL.

 

[Duke Silver]

intellectual dishonesty is saying that a player that has played one full season out of 2 and a half seasons, is worth the money he is being paid is homerism

I had no idea the barometer for player valuation was so high when it comes to games played. Guess we'll just throw out this season and the last one.

 

[Slyfox]

As a Leafs fan, I'm just disappointed seeing how all our players knew our cap situation they refuse to take a discount. McDavid should've have gotten the max contract but took a big discount on the hopes of his team signing players they hoped to get/draft. With the Leafs we already have the players and know exactly where the money is going to and yet no one will take a discount. Where's all the endorsement money for playing for the TML.

 

[TruGr1t]

For all the good things it appears this new Leafs' management group has done ... they are God awful at negotiating contracts. Awful.

 

[Deedog99]

If they didn't make the money they do it would just go to the owners. Money has to go somewhere a. I'd rather the ones actually entertaining me get it. Plus can you blame the players?

How about shorten the season and roll back the goddam ticket prices?

 

[Blue Shakehead]

Exactly...the hell are the cheap bastards complaining about...it's still a cap league...If it was like baseball,the Leafs would be the Yankees!

The cap didn't exist from 1967 to 2004. That's 37 years of failure with no cap to blame (not to mention the disastrous 2004 - 2018 period) which taken together makes up 51 years of total haplessness.

The Leafs haven't won a championship in the post-moon landing era or since the VCR was invented. Probably the worst big market franchise in all of sports and certainly no damn Yankees.

 

[King Mapes]

That's because Matthews's 8 months older. 4 months is less than 8 months, hence comparing them like that makes no sense.

Still, that argument is pretty dumb in general. Matthews simply was more NHL-ready, but that doesn't at all mean that he's better than Marner right now. In fact, he's not even close at the moment.

Not even close? Yes he is, the stats prove it. Also Marner gets to play with JT. Either way it doesn't matter we get both long term. But pretty sure one of the best goal scorers in the league is in fact close.

Of course he was moe NHL ready. He had a 40 goal season right after being drafted.

 

[King Mapes]

How about shorten the season and roll back the goddam ticket prices?

Which would make zero sense. If you are offended they make so much just dont go so you aren't supporting it but this is pro sports. They want to make max money, owners want to make max money. If you are at your job would you say "I don't want to make that much, give me less"? Of course not.

So shorten the season AND lower ticket prices? How does that make sense?