Canadian Team Executive says incompetence of Matthews Deal will affect the rest of the League

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  1. Belzebob

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    here is another little point for you to ruminate on.

    patrik laine scored 18 goals in the month of November.

    so that means he is on pace, in a 7 month season, to score 126 goals.

    would you think that is reasonable the way you want to extrapolate Matthews production?
     
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    You don't have to watch Flamescentre or Canucksnet Central every night.

    :dunno:
     
  3. Belzebob

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    and 69 total points.

    so what is your point.

    he still is an 11.6 mil a year player that has yet to break 70 pts.

    and has an injury history for a young man
     
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    What? That makes no sense.

    If Dubas signs an extension that drastically alters (see: ruins) the framework of other RFA deals because it is surprisingly against the grain, both in how things were expected to go and how things had operated prior, then it's a lot more reasonable to put part of that change at his feet than it is to suggest that other teams should have been operating their crystal balls and had their players sign before Matthews if they didn't like how it was going to turn out.

    Just how were they going to do that, anyway, without offering similar player-friendly deals? Contract negotiation isn't a race, it's a waiting game, so that's no guarantee either since you just let their agent know by caving in so early that he can probably work another couple million off of you by June, but let's say they sign. Great contract for the player, would basically have to be.

    Uh oh, Leafs Nation. Matthews was setting the market here, that appears to be the general consensus. Well a team just signed their slightly worse RFA to a huge deal, just to "save money" and beat Matthews/Toronto to the punch. Can you even imagine what Matthews' demands are going to look like then?
     
  5. LeafsNation75

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    You said Matthews has never played a full season in the NHL and he played all 82 games during his rookie season. So it means you were 100% wrong about that.
     
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    Just because we have seen other players like McDavid, Eichel and Draisaitl sign 8 year extensions coming off their ELC deals, there was no rule saying Kyle Dubas had to give Matthews the same amount of term on his next contract. In the past other high profile players like Crosby, Stamkos, Kane and Toews all signed 5 year contracts after their ELC deals, so Matthews doing that is nothing new. It just had not happened in a while.
     
  7. Belzebob

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    and just like you all like to call laine a one trick pony that the teams have figured out.

    Matthews is also a one trick pony and the whole league has figured out if you hit him he gets injured or vanishes

    not my fault you cannot see the irony
     
  8. Duke Silver

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    What’s BS is using injuries to discredit a player who, when he’s out there, is one of the most talented and productive players in the league.

    This is like saying Bobby Orr wasn’t one of the greatest offensive defencemen ever because he never even broke 1000 points.

    If you’re so hung up on sample sizes, how’s this: in 185 games Auston Matthews has 179 points for a 0.97 points-per-game, which is a full-season pace of 79 points a year.

    I guess the argument switches here to say “2.5 seasons don’t matter, he’s gotta do it in 1 season”.

    Intellectual dishonesty.
     
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    That's why I didn't say "a truly groundbreaking contract that had never happened before", I just said "were expected" and "prior". Longer was "expected" because of the contracts that had been signed just "prior". If that's all you have to say about what I posted you might as well just bow out because you're either not reading what other people say, or you pretty much agree that it's not ideal and you still can't stop yourself from defending the Leafs by reflex.
     
  10. Belzebob

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    intellectual dishonesty is saying that a player that has played one full season out of 2 and a half seasons, is worth the money he is being paid is homerism
     
  11. LeafsNation75

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    It's hard to take him seriously since he said Matthews has never played a full season in the NHL and we know that's not true.
     
  12. Belzebob

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    unless of course your third jersey has a nice little skirt and you guys are playing ringette.

    hockey is a fast hard hitting sport.

    not really what the leafs are designed for
     
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    Personally I wish Matthews had signed for 6 years instead of 5 since he was not going to get 8 years. However it's what happened and I can move on.
     
  14. Belzebob

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    no worries.

    Matthews will be LTIR, bought out, or playing in Arizona before his contract is finished
     
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    so that is it?

    none of you want to discuss the differences between chevy playing hardball with trouba after his elc holdout.

    or should we discuss who the real knee-lander was in the recent dubas contract negotiations

    feel free to make your point
     
  16. King Mapes

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    2 bad playoffs? You mean one? He had 4 goals in 6 games against the Caps...

    Him and Eichel aren't identical players. AM is already proving to be one of the top goal scorers in the league.
     
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    The same people saying "Boo hoo" will be the same people that say "Why does that player think he deserves so much right now? He should take a discount!"

    The irony in this thread is hilarious. It works now for them, but when someone else asks for their sack of gold the way these guys did, they'll tear them to shreds asking why they deserve it.

    The league has been horrible with contracts ever since a few GM's decided to be idiots and ignore the bridge deals.
     
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    Didn't Eichel just turn Skinner into a goal scoring god?

    You value a guy that is one of the top goal scorers in the game.
    What value do people put on a player that turns a decent scorer into one of the top goal scorers in the game?
     
  19. King Mapes

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    The guy scored 37 just a couple years ago and this season is higher scoring. Plus Eichel signed his contract before this year, before he played with Skinner. That had no impact on his contract. Matthews hit 40 as a rookie
     
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    Who was his most common linemate during that 40 goal season? Because I can guarantee you, he's not going around creating those scoring chances all on his own.

    Hell, I would value Marner a lot higher than Matthews.
     
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    It's amazing how a lot of people on here who are not Leafs fans never mention how great Matthews was during the 2017 playoffs.
     
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    Matthews played half of his games with Brown and Hyman, than later on Babcock switched Brown for Nylander.
     
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    I'm sure there are stats out there that show how many points Nylander figured into Matthews totals. Also, we're going back 2yrs here.
     
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    Now? Maybe but at the same age? AM is better, not even debatable. MM has just come into his own now.

    That's any goalscorer, they typically will have good linemates but let's not downplay how impressive that is for a guy immediately after his draft
     
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    Yeah I think Marner is better, definitely think he's one of those guys you guys think is not as good as AM and then you lose him and realize it only then.
     

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