I don't have a breakdown but I think allot of them are pp. I think he only has one ES goal.
4 PP points 5 ES points
2 ES goals 1 PPG
I don't have a breakdown but I think allot of them are pp. I think he only has one ES goal.
1 2013-10-03 PIT NJD 3 11:42 EV Goal by Craig Adams, assisted by Evgeni Malkin and Tanner Glass
2 2013-10-08 PIT CAR 3 05:03 EV Goal by Jussi Jokinen, assisted by Evgeni Malkin and Olli Maatta
3 2013-10-11 PIT @ FLA 1 05:38 EV Goal by Evgeni Malkin, assisted by Beau Bennett
4 2013-10-12 PIT @ TBL 3 10:26 PP Goal by Sidney Crosby, assisted by Jussi Jokinen and Evgeni Malkin
5 2013-10-12 PIT @ TBL 3 19:41 PP Goal by Matt Niskanen, assisted by Evgeni Malkin and Sidney Crosby
6 2013-10-15 PIT EDM 3 07:20 PP Goal by Evgeni Malkin, assisted by Paul Martin and Sidney Crosby
7 2013-10-17 PIT @ PHI 2 09:43 EV Goal by Jussi Jokinen, assisted by Evgeni Malkin
8 2013-10-17 PIT @ PHI 3 19:47 EV Goal by Evgeni Malkin, assisted by Craig Adams and Sidney Crosby
9 2013-10-19 PIT VAN 2 07:56 PP Goal by Chris Kunitz, assisted by Evgeni Malkin and Sidney Crosby
http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/m/malkiev01/scoring/2014/ (very handy for secondary assist debunking, btw)
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Needless to say, I've peed myself 15 times and I'll be awake for the next decade.
Jokinen and Kobasew will do that to you. He's not like Crosby. Malkin needs his linemates.
Then he shouldn't be making as much money as he is. He gets paid to be an elite player and produce regardless of who's on his line, just like Crosby.
Then he shouldn't be making as much money as he is. He gets paid to be an elite player and produce regardless of who's on his line, just like Crosby.
Jokinen and Kobasew will do that to you. He's not like Crosby. Malkin needs his linemates.
I can understand why people frustrated with Geno might say this but it all stems from the same thing: people wanting Geno to be Sid. There are MANY players in the league who make big money, who cannot by themselves take a line, any line, and score lots of points. In fact Sid might be the ONLY player in the NHL who can do that. Getzlaf or Perry can't do it themselves, Ovy can't do it himself, Stamkos can't, Datysuk can't... what Sid does is extremely rare. So technically by your logic, no one should get paid close to 8M a year or whatever, except Sid.
Geno is not Sid. Geno has a different body type, a different posture with the puck, different skating, different everything. Sid is a net-front Center. This means it's much easier for him to play with a wide variety of players and still be successful, because 90% of his points come from 5 feet away from the net. Geno is more of a perimeter C, as I said earlier today. His game is to skate and swoop through traffic, drawing people to him... and he's smart enough that he can see the lanes he's going to create before he creates them... he goes to the right spot, and if he has someone like Neal who can bury with regularity, Geno is as unstoppable as Sid. But Geno can't make the guys he's playing with be in the right spot at the right time or be a good shooter. That's why Dupuis was always terrible on Malkin's wing. He's not smart enough to know where to be and his shot isn't good enough. Kunitz was a little different because he was the puck hound, not the shooter (except cleaning up the trash).
Geno needs someone like Neal (or any sniper with a high IQ) and when he has him, the both can combined for huge point totals, as we saw a couple years ago. Bennett could work with Geno too potentially (they haven't played enough together to know for sure), but ultimately Neal is the guy. Take Neal away and Geno is less effective. That shouldn't mean we talk about trading him or that he's badly overpaid. Like I said, take away Perry and how much is Getzlaf going to dominate play and score points? Not that well, IMO.
People need to start seeing things in context and seeing that even when he struggles he's still PPG. That's pretty amazing. You can count on one hand the guys in this league who can do that consistently, and that's his low basically, not the norm (which is more like 1.5 PPG).
If you guys want to talk Geno that's fine but if it starts getting into trolls talking trade for Geno (and there are a couple trolls in here who will remain nameless), I'm shutting this down until such time as he's really doing something bad / causing problems.
Case closed as far as I'm concerned. He's been creating but the sum of the parts is greater than the whole on his line. If he had Neal in the line up for the past couple of weeks, he would have been fine.
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Funny, DV, the guy I really think he needs is someone like Malone (or to do what Talbot did in the playoffs). A guy like Neal, like Sykora, makes a Malkin line better by finishing. But, the thing that really makes it go, even absent a pure finisher, is having a puck retriever.
I've seen countless shifts this season where Geno's chased his own dump, created a turnover, and then looked for close puck support or someone driving the net (neither happens). So, he'd just dump the puck towards the opposite corner, and a lot of people here would say WTF, use your linemates.
Well, go back and watch the 2009 playoffs (or 2008 with Malone). Geno would do the EXACT same thing, and Talbot would just know when he was about to do it and be the first one there. Geno would swoop down to support, Talbot would get him the puck, and he'd look again the exploit a breakdown.
You know what's really sad. As much as I've done the Kulemin schtick, you could've had him for say Joe Morrow and a 1st and for 7.8M, just 300K more than Kunitz and Dupuis, put out a Kulemin-Malkin-Neal line.
I wonder how a Kulemin-Malkin-Neal line would compare to a Kunitz-Crosby-Dupuis line...
Sid's ideal linemate is a guy like Dustin Brown. Kunitz and Dupuis are lite versions.
For Geno, there's no ideal linemate. There's an ideal line. A puck retriever, Geno, and a finisher.
But Geno can't make the guys he's playing with be in the right spot at the right time or be a good shooter. That's why Dupuis was always terrible on Malkin's wing. He's not smart enough to know where to be and his shot isn't good enough.
See also: Kunitz, when Neal scored 80 and Malkin 109. I agree. Even Neal is not as effective when that puck hound type is not there.
All fair points. I think Kulemin would more or less be another Kunitz for Neal and Geno, and the line would be similarly productive. But that's probably not happening as Toronto continues to improve. But even without a real puck hound, Malkin and Neal can still put up a lot of points. Sometimes just having that finisher is enough for Geno.
When we're all healthy again I'd try
Dupuis - Sid - Bennett
Kunitz - Geno - Neal
Juice - Sutter - Kobachoo
...but we know that probably won't happen. Too logical.
Bang on. I've been concentrating on Malkin in many of the games and I've seen time after time in game after game that he's created opportunities for his line mates but his line mates are a couple of steps behind his thinking.
They are in those parts of the ice that the dime-a-dozen players go to. Your classy offensive type forwards can see the space before it appears and are in the space at the right time. Malkin needs those types of wingers (your Neal's, Bennett's, etc).
I'll wait until he at least plays a bit with someone other than 3rd/4th liners to really criticize.
He won a Conn Smythe playing with Talbot and Fedotenko. At $9mil, Malkin needs to do better regardless of who his linemates are.
Jokinen and Kobasew will do that to you.
This. Hes playing with a third wheel and a fourth liner. When Neal gets back he will get going.
I have been defending Geno's play so far this season. And I totally stand by that. Tonight however it was unacceptable. He wasn't alone to say the least, but fair is far. Really poor game by 71. Bad decisions, low compete, not a positive factor at any point outside of the PP assist. That's not good enough when you play a critical role in two goals against.