Fair enough. I may have gotten carried away making my point. That's a ton of goals, and I can still remember him coming down the wing and cranking the slapshot past the goalie.
There are 45 men who have scored 500 or more goals. 4 of those 45 are still "active" (Jagr, Ovechkin, Hossa, Marleau).how many 500 goal scorers are not in the hall of fame?
The Caps need a Caps ring of fame or something so that all time great Caps are acknowledged but not # retired. That should be reserved for hall of famers. 5 and 11. 8 and 19 when its their time. 32 and 37 belong in the team honors. 12 belongs in the hall of fame IMO
There are 45 men who have scored 500 or more goals. 4 of those 45 are still "active" (Jagr, Ovechkin, Hossa, Marleau).
Of the remaining 41 only 5 are not in the HOF. Bondra, Roenick, Turgeon, Tkachuk, and Verbeek.
Bondra is in elite company, he deserves his number retired. He will not make the HoF but I don't see what that has to do with number retirement. The HoF is to honor individual performance, number retirement honors individual contribution to a singular team.
Its the bar you have to clear. My view is that a number retirement is for a hall of fame level player. Not a team hall of famer. The Redskins have a ring of fame that Dale Hunter and Kolzig and maybe Calle Johansson level players belong in. Is Turgeon's number retired? I think retired numbers should be rare. Only for an all time great. But that is why we have these conversations. The Caps have 4 numbers retired without winning a cup. Retiring more only adds to the banner problem. 8 and 19 will for sure be added in time. That is 6. Bondra is borderline hall of fame. I think he is borderline for retirement.
Again, I dont see the issue with retiring numbers for players that really "own" a number for a franchise. 5, 12, 37. All of those are truly owned by Langway, Bondra, and Kolzig. Has anyone even used those numbers since? Honest question?
We will certainly see it for 8. Maybe 19...and further down, 70, 74, or 92. We will see.
Well...I guess its a matter of how special you want it to be. Why not Ridley and Stevens and Hatcher or Dino? Bengt?
What is this "banner problem" people keep talking about? Are we restricted in how many banners we can put up? Is the NHL going to fine us for putting up to many non-cup related items? Will other fans think its dumb and think less of us? (kinda too late for that one) The banners are for us. For the franchise. While I agree we should have enough pride in ourselves not to have "attendance records" hanging up there, not putting a #12 in the rafters because "we already have 4" seems dumb.
fwiw leonsis said a few years ago no more banners or anything til a cup banner goes up
When did he say that? Seems like the banners are pretty up to date.
No new banners, didn't say he couldn't update them lol
But like i said that was 2-3 years ago, whether or not that still stands i don't know but it could be the reason
So the Caps turn their nose at the only legitimate history they have? Makes sense.When you’re a franchise with no storied history to speak of or celebrate, you hang some lame banners because you’re grasping for anything. It’s sad, but it’s the Caps.
Simply consolidate them into one banner that reads "Division Champions"It’s all legit, but is it all banner worthy? Honestly? If they have any more division name changes this is going to be INSANE!
It would be interesting to know if 12 and 37 are available to current players? 12 has been worn post Bondra but only once and right after Bondra left.
I’m thinking not. Same w 5. Anyone else ever worn 5?