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Toughness is not throwing big hits.Who do we have that embodies toughness outside Muzzin? Goat is part time tough apparently.
Toughness is not throwing big hits.Who do we have that embodies toughness outside Muzzin? Goat is part time tough apparently.
Toughness is not throwing big hits.
as if, all their free time goes to ironing their Bengamin's.They must have read this. Those guys scored us a win tonight.
Then you haven't been watching very carefully.I am watching guys avoiding contact and letting other teams get the puck to avoid taking a hit. I am seeing timid players moving the puck far to quickly for fear of being hit. I am seeing chickens with their heads cut off running around our own zone.
Because you're seeking it out and magnifying it when you do see it, because that's what you want to see.Why am I seeing this?
This is untrue.This group is not tough, they don't stand their ground and last year they didn't even stand up for each other.
I don't think anybody even knew what had happened until he got back to the bench, where he was laughing. What exactly did you expect them to do? Go take a stupid penalty that solves nothing except let them get back in the game, which you would be in here complaining about too?Sandin got smashed in the head!
And this is different from any coach vs any team, how? "Toughness" has literally not decided any playoff series Toronto has been in.Here if I am any coach vs Leafs...
--- Hit em hard, stay on them and pressure them at every chance. They will cough up the puck and you can knock them off their game. Easy peasy playoff win.
if you look at many teams that made it to the finals or final 4I hear a debate a brewing. Old school versus new school. The last 2 Stanley Cup champs had size,grit and character. Are the Leafs going to follow the path of Washington ,were it took 20 years of failure before they recognized their need for grit to protect their stars and go in the corners etc? We have lost twice to Boston. Do we need to make some changes to beat them? We have a lot of expensive, flash offense but do we have the right balance to win?
I'm very curious to see where Leaf fans stand on this. Why? Because if we lose again first round, I think we need to fire more than just Babcock and certain things may not even be his fault. Thoughts....
I'm hearing a lot of teams really enjoy playing in Toronto. Is that the rep we want?
correctionToughness is not throwing big hits.
okThere are countless teams that have had equal or worse toughness than the current Leafs and gone on to win. People just revise history after they win and claim that those teams were "tough" all along. Toughness has literally never been an issue for this core in the playoffs.
Then you haven't been watching very carefully.
Because you're seeking it out and magnifying it when you do see it, because that's what you want to see.
This is untrue.
I don't think anybody even knew what had happened until he got back to the bench, where he was laughing. What exactly did you expect them to do? Go take a stupid penalty that solves nothing except let them get back in the game, which you would be in here complaining about too?
And this is different from any coach vs any team, how? "Toughness" has literally not decided any playoff series Toronto has been in.
No this isn’t a balanced team, but tbh I don’t think it’s because of our “bottom” talent. Everyone in the bottom 6 plays with some tenacity imo. Honestly, I think Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Rielly are the guys that can make a huge difference if they just finished a freaking check every once in a while. I love Matthews, but when I watch him play versus someone like MacKinnon I seriously ask myself why he can’t just play like that. Like Kopitar, Bergeron, ROR, Toews, Datsyuk etc...didn’t become premier two-way players by shying away from contact. “Toughness“ is something players can learn, and I honestly really thought once the big 3 got paid they’d start to play tougher as they’d have financial security in case of an injury, but it’s the exact same as before
It's not at all. Hitting has no correlation to winning. It's entirely for the fans and big hits more often than not are the wrong, much riskier play.correction
toughness is not ONLY about throwing big hits.
None of Carolina, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Washington or St Louis were considered "tough" before winning, and all were considered incredibly soft at times, including in years they won. This represents 10 of the 14 cups, or the large majority. Players do what needs to be done in the playoffs, Leafs included, and the ones that go further gain that reputation more than others. The Leafs have shown toughness in the playoffs, but it's written off because they lost, because of Boston's skill.ok
gimme as list of these countless teams
it should be easy for you.
You clearly are; I don't even know how you can deny this.ii. I am not seeking out things, I just see it differently
"Standing up" for each other doesn't mean throwing fists or taking stupid penalties or suspensions, which is what you seem to want them to do. They stood up for each other consistently.iii. What is true then? Kadri stood up for some guys last season and perhaps Muzz
What does this even mean? I don't even think you know.iv. I think they could have maybe taken it up with the player after.
Neither Boston nor Washington out-"toughed" us. We lost last year because of insane skill and luck on the PP for Boston.v. I think WSH and Boston took us to task in our PO series, so that's three times.
He’s not gun shy at all. He’s just never played hockey before he came to the NHL and has no idea how to play the game.i think matty is gun shy
after having back to back seasons shortened by shoulder issues, i kinda get it
you don't want my answer about those 2 pretty boy wingers.
rielly to me , does what he can for his size.
It's not at all. Hitting has no correlation to winning. It's entirely for the fans and big hits more often than not are the wrong, much riskier play.
None of Carolina, Detroit, Pittsburgh, Chicago, Washington or St Louis were considered "tough" before winning, and all were considered incredibly soft at times, including in years they won. This represents 10 of the 14 cups, or the large majority. Players do what needs to be done in the playoffs, Leafs included, and the ones that go further gain that reputation more than others. The Leafs have shown toughness in the playoffs, but it's written off because they lost, because of Boston's skill.
Once, again, revisionist history. Those weren't considered "tough teams" at the time, especially not Chicago or Washington.Woa Washington added size in Wilson and Pelly Smith. St Louis had a lot of grit and character while Chicago started with Biffy in their first cup.So you can subtract 3 from your 10. The last two Cup winners were not built like the Leafs.
Once, again, revisionist history. Those weren't considered "tough teams" at the time, especially not Chicago or Washington.
Even if we remove those 3, that's still 7 out of 14 which suggests it's completely irrelevant.
There is no magic formula or requirement to win the cup. Just be better than the other team in the style that you choose, and get a ton of luck.
It is not.This team is outright weak.
1. None of those players were in their primes.Pittsburgh was a freak because they had Crosby, Malkin,Letang and Kessel all in their prime.
The team doesn't need to add anything to be highly competitive in the playoffs.Im saying this team needs to add certain kinds of players to supplement all that offense in the playoffs.
If teams are going to target our stars, "tough" guys will do absolutely nothing to stop it.I think teams have and will target our stars.