Prospect Info: Cale Makar - D [4th Overall] Part III: Not A Prospect Edition

[BrickNHL]

It's not so much that I'm pro-Makar, its more that I'm anti-Quinn Whos?

 

[JoeSakic13]

Friedman lives in Toronto and Avs games in the North East are very rarely shown or talked about.

As someone who lived in Toronto for years - I can vouch for this. The only exposure we got is via MacKinnon and a fair chunk are still like "Oh the guy in the Tim Horton's commercial with Crosby?"

 

[Ararana]

It's not so much that I'm pro-Makar, its more that I'm anti-Quinn Whos?

The only reason I want Cale to win is to watch Vancouver fans set their city on fire again.

 

[Barklez]

The only reason I want Cale to win is to watch Vancouver fans set their city on fire again.

I’ve been actively antagonizing all my Canucklehead buddies about it all year. I’m in too deep to quit but I’ll be getting quite the earful if Makar doesn’t bring home the hardware.

Missed the last riot, hoping for a front row seat this time. I’ll put a cutout if Cale in my window so he can enjoy his handywork.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Interesting stuff here.

Chris Johnston: NHL hub cities, Hart, Calder toughest selections - Sportsnet.ca

Chris Johnston from Sportsnet voted Hughes for Calder and Panarin for Hart.

He cited underlying numbers as the reason he chose Hughes and Panarin. It goes to show the rise of advanced stats in player award voting.

Discussion begins at about the 10:00 minute mark.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Makar was clearly the best rookie but missing a bunch of games does have an impact. Had he not missed games there wouldn't be much debates and the Calder would be one of the easiest awards to hand out this year.

 

[Balthazar]

Interesting stuff here.

Chris Johnston: NHL hub cities, Hart, Calder toughest selections - Sportsnet.ca

Chris Johnston from Sportsnet voted Hughes for Calder and Panarin for Hart.

He cited underlying numbers as the reason he chose Hughes and Panarin. It goes to show the rise of advanced stats in player award voting.

Discussion begins at about the 10:00 minute mark.

Seems like the Toronto media is voting Hughes so Hughes is going to win.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I'm just thankful now that everyone's votes are public. You can get to see who has no idea what they are doing.

Because they didn't vote for the Avs player?


Let's not get immature and silly about this. Hughes has just as good and arguably a better season than Makar, plus he was healthy the entire year.

 

[Barklez]

Because they didn't vote for the Avs player?


Let's not get immature and silly about this. Hughes has just as good and arguably a better season than Makar, plus he was healthy the entire year.

I took it more as a sweeping, now we can evaluate each voter’s opinion. No mention of of Makar or Hughes, aside from the fact it was a comment in the Makar thread.

Maybe less projecting/assuming before being critical of our fellow Avs fans next time? Unless you secretly want to watch everyone get silly and immature...

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Because they didn't vote for the Avs player?


Let's not get immature and silly about this. Hughes has just as good and arguably a better season than Makar, plus he was healthy the entire year.

There are people who don’t take it serious though and it has nothing to do with Hughes/Makar. Travis Yost gets a vote and he selected EP over guys like Mackinnon for the Hart. Adrian freaking Dater gets a vote.

I like that votes are public too. I see these clowns often putting their own spin on things. For example they’ll say that when they selected their Hart vote they don’t base it on “importance to their team” and they simply vote for the best player in the league. I actually think the Hart should simply be the best player in the league but it’s not. That’s not the definition of the Hart and until it is you should vote on it the way it’s supposed to. These guys take great pride in these awards and some even have bonus money based on how it plays out. They deserve to see the names of the clowns who voted based on their own agenda.

 

[Foppa2118]

Obviously the people who think Makar had the better season don't think Hughes season was just as good.

 

[Balthazar]

There are people who don’t take it serious though and it has nothing to do with Hughes/Makar. Travis Yost gets a vote and he selected EP over guys like Mackinnon for the Hart. Adrian freaking Dater gets a vote.

I like that votes are public too. I see these clowns often putting their own spin on things. For example they’ll say that when they selected their Hart vote they don’t base it on “importance to their team” and they simply vote for the best player in the league. I actually think the Hart should simply be the best player in the league but it’s not. That’s not the definition of the Hart and until it is you should vote on it the way it’s supposed to. These guys take great pride in these awards and some even have bonus money based on how it plays out. They deserve to see the names of the clowns who voted based on their own agenda.

Dater last year apologized because he forgot about Hedman when he submitted his top 5 for the Norris. He got called out because he was like the only journalist without him in his top 5.

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[Foppa2118]

If you're going to leave something up to a vote, you're going to have a bunch of dumb votes. If it's not bias or irrational thinking getting in the way, it's just plain mistakes.

The human memory is so much worse than people realize too. We form entire impressions of people and things based on false memories all the time. Eye witness accounts can be very unreliable because humans get specific details wrong constantly.

Pretty silly for Dater to forget about Hedman, but we've all done something similar. The expectation is that you should think everything through if you're given the opportunity to vote, but not everyone does, and even if they do, people are still gonna make simple mistakes.

It's good the NHL voting is public though. I think a lot of these writers would put even less thought into it if they were still anonymous.

 

[Muffin]

Seems like the Toronto media is voting Hughes so Hughes is going to win.

Shouldn't have to worry about it too much, looking at the list there are many writers that don't work for sportsnet or cbc.

 

[JoeSakic13]

Shouldn't have to worry about it too much, looking at the list there are many writers that don't work for sportsnet or cbc.

Shoutout to Jamie McClennan who gave the St. Louis rookie netminder his 5th place vote.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Dater last year apologized because he forgot about Hedman when he submitted his top 5 for the Norris. He got called out because he was like the only journalist without him in his top 5.

edit:

I like how he doesn’t even really take responsibility for his vote lol

 

[expatriatedtexan]

Because they didn't vote for the Avs player?


Let's not get immature and silly about this. Hughes has just as good and arguably a better season than Makar, plus he was healthy the entire year.

Woah....woah....woah.....Back up. My quote had nothing to do with who voted for Hughes vs Makar. It had everything to do with the fact that you often read the results and find yourself wondering who the f*** voted this guy in the Selke or Norris race. While it's nice to have a few members from your team get individual accolades, I'm really only concerned about one trophy and not one single person gets a vote on it.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Woah....woah....woah.....Back up. My quote had nothing to do with who voted for Hughes vs Makar. It had everything to do with the fact that you often read the results and find yourself wondering who the f*** voted this guy in the Selke or Norris race. While it's nice to have a few members from your team get individual accolades, I'm really only concerned about one trophy and not one single person gets a vote on it.

Fair enough. My apologies for assuming in that case.


I just think a lot of people here are really undervaluing the season Hughes had because Makar is his competition for the Calder. Both guys easily had seasons fully deserving of the Calder and whatever way the vote goes theres no right or wrong choice to be made.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Yeah, I won’t have an issue if Hughes wins the Calder.

The games missed are a key factor. If Makar hadn’t missed those games I think he would have been the clear winner. Still close obviously, but an edge to Makar.

But, he did miss games, so that has to be taken into account in the vote.

 

[Foppa Frossa]

• Hughes wins Calder
• Hughes signs bigger contract than Makar
• Makar will have more points than Hughes in every season.
• Hughes will get traded at some point during his career.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

 

[Ceremony]

There should be two sets of awards. One for writers, one for players. Professional athletes might be idiots but they can't be worse at picking good ones than the collection of brain geniuses that cover the NHL.

 

[AvsFan29]

• Hughes wins Calder
• Hughes signs bigger contract than Makar
• Makar will have more points than Hughes in every season.
• Hughes will get traded at some point during his career.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Makar wins Calder

Makar signs 9x8

Makar has more points than Hughes every year

Makar wins 4 cups and 6 Norris trophies

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

A day that changed the franchise.

May his future always remain rosy.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

There should be two sets of awards. One for writers, one for players. Professional athletes might be idiots but they can't be worse at picking good ones than the collection of brain geniuses that cover the NHL.

I say every year that the players should be the ones voting on every award aside from maybe the GM of the year.

 

[The Kingslayer]

Hughes is winning the Calder dont worry.