Proposal: Bruins Trade Proposals

[Fenian24]

Bruins are all about within

It will snow M&M’s before we see another significant deal

They need games to evaluate and to hit on a few more of the kids the way DeBrusk and Heinen did

They hit on 2 of 3 as top 9 centers in T-Fred, J-Stud, or JFK this team is a force.

And if they miss, which is more likely just based on odds, they have no center depth lined up down the road, no third line center this year and have p***ed away a chance for a cup by having an overreliance on prospects.

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

He traded for rick Nash, Holden and wingers at the trade deadline in February. So roughly 8 months ago.

Riley Nash was also a pretty good free agent signing, but ya his free agent signings are rough.

Lol this team had 112 points last year. That’s why he has a job. He hired an outstanding prospect scouting staff which has paid incredible dividends.

Free agent signings for the most part have been lack luster, no doubt, but questioning why he has a job is wild.

But that’s like, his thing.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Thinking you may be the only hockey fan In the world that would take Backes in his current state than Jeff Skinner. He’s better in every facet of the game (as a winger) by far (except hitting but Backes seldomly get there anymore)

Skinner was avail before July 1st. Would have dealt McQuaid. Would not have signed Nordstrom. There’s your money for Skinner. Maybe you pass on Wagner for cheaper too?

I’d try Donato at center or Heinen for 3C Since our 6 million dollar UFA centerman signing somehow has amnesia in regards to playing the position.

Marchand Bergeron Pasta
DeBrusk Krejci Skinner
Donato Heinen Backes

current state... you probably got me there. ive seen at least 2 different david backes here in boston. seen the 2016-17 version that didn't fit in with Bergeron or krejci… seemingly was at 1/2 speed. got a lot of people disappointed

then I saw some other stuff in 2017-18. it was shaded by concussion issues and the whole intenstine thing... but in between was some impressive hockey performance. in a 41 game stretch of hockey beween November 29 when he came back from surgery and march 3rd he had 11 goas and 15 assists for 26 points. he had more than 16 mins icetime in a game only 10 time only 4 of those points are on the pp

when hes healthy... backes is one hell of a productive 3rd liner. his defense is superior to almost anyone he would face in this role.. his physicality is ideal for protecting guys like Heinen and donato as they adjust to nhl play

my problem with skinner is I don't think he helps his team much. in the last 6 years he has just 109 assists.. and is a -90. this is a guy that a weak Carolina team needing help. he had a period of 2o games in December where hhe was a minus 12 with just 3 goals and 3 assists. he has these stretches where he just goes invisible..


skinner at his best might be slightly better than an injured backs... but not by much

 

[DKH]

And if they miss, which is more likely just based on odds, they have no center depth lined up down the road, no third line center this year and have p***ed away a chance for a cup by having an overreliance on prospects.

They won’t miss

2020 Stanley Cup Boston Bruins

 

[LouJersey]

Skinner would of been nice but he's a UFA after next season and The Bruins will need to re-up McAvoy,Carlo,Donato and Heinen along with Possibly Big Z and McQuaid. Given this and not knowing what the asking price was and with the Bruins having Bjork coming back and Donato for a full season,I'm not totally disappointed in not giving up assets for Skinner when we may already have a solution in one of Bjork/Donato.

Would have easily given up a similar package to rent him.

 

[DKH]

current state... you probably got me there. ive seen at least 2 different david backes here in boston. seen the 2016-17 version that didn't fit in with Bergeron or krejci… seemingly was at 1/2 speed. got a lot of people disappointed

then I saw some other stuff in 2017-18. it was shaded by concussion issues and the whole intenstine thing... but in between was some impressive hockey performance. in a 41 game stretch of hockey beween November 29 when he came back from surgery and march 3rd he had 11 goas and 15 assists for 26 points. he had more than 16 mins icetime in a game only 10 time only 4 of those points are on the pp

when hes healthy... backes is one hell of a productive 3rd liner. his defense is superior to almost anyone he would face in this role.. his physicality is ideal for protecting guys like Heinen and donato as they adjust to nhl play

my problem with skinner is I don't think he helps his team much. in the last 6 years he has just 109 assists.. and is a -90. this is a guy that a weak Carolina team needing help. he had a period of 2o games in December where hhe was a minus 12 with just 3 goals and 3 assists. he has these stretches where he just goes invisible..


skinner at his best might be slightly better than an injured backs... but not by much

If this is 2015 you get Skinner

2018 makes zero sense

 

[LouJersey]

current state... you probably got me there. ive seen at least 2 different david backes here in boston. seen the 2016-17 version that didn't fit in with Bergeron or krejci… seemingly was at 1/2 speed. got a lot of people disappointed

then I saw some other stuff in 2017-18. it was shaded by concussion issues and the whole intenstine thing... but in between was some impressive hockey performance. in a 41 game stretch of hockey beween November 29 when he came back from surgery and march 3rd he had 11 goas and 15 assists for 26 points. he had more than 16 mins icetime in a game only 10 time only 4 of those points are on the pp

when hes healthy... backes is one hell of a productive 3rd liner. his defense is superior to almost anyone he would face in this role.. his physicality is ideal for protecting guys like Heinen and donato as they adjust to nhl play

my problem with skinner is I don't think he helps his team much. in the last 6 years he has just 109 assists.. and is a -90. this is a guy that a weak Carolina team needing help. he had a period of 2o games in December where hhe was a minus 12 with just 3 goals and 3 assists. he has these stretches where he just goes invisible..


skinner at his best might be slightly better than an injured backs... but not by much

False. An injured Backes is useless. Even "healthy" he couldn't get any ice time vs the Lightning because he was so terrible.

Only this place can you get thoughts that adding a Jeff Skinner to this team for one year for futures doesn't make them a much better team.

 

[LouJersey]

If this is 2015 you get Skinner

2018 makes zero sense

I think getting Skinner for a full season now, at the price he commanded is far better than the amount they had to pay for Nash, or will have to pay if their 2RW plan doesn't work out. For one year, when the team is this close, Skinner would have been ideal IMO.

 

[DKH]

False. An injured Backes is useless. Even "healthy" he couldn't get any ice time vs the Lightning because he was so terrible.

Only this place can you get thoughts that adding a Jeff Skinner to this team for one year for futures doesn't make them a much better team.

Donato, Bjork, and possibly Heinen affected for one year of a guy you likely can’t keep

 

[LouJersey]

Donato, Bjork, and possibly Heinen affected for one year of a guy you likely can’t keep

They were all over Kovalchuk, and wanted Rick Nash back, so I have to wonder how they feel about those guys playing second line duty

marchand Bergeron pasta
debrusk krejci skinner
donato Heinen backes
Bjork kuraly wagner
noel Nordstrom

 

[DrJustice]

I tend to find Skinner relatively overrated on this board. Not only is there very little evidence that he even plays his off-wing but he's not nearly as consistent a player as he is made out to be. His 37 goal season in 16-17 came off a 2nd best career shooting percentage and you saw that go right back down the next season closer to his career average. He's also not a very physical player at all with 35 hits last season. Surprisingly durable over the last 5 seasons. Good player but I don't think the fit was super ideal

Personally I still find Simmonds to be a better fit for what this team could use more of. He's a 30-30 guy with physicality, playoff experience and a right handed shot. For all the talk about his health he only missed 7 games last season even when not at his best. He'd also be an ideal fit on the powerplay in front of the net, which is his bread and butter. He'd be my ideal target if the right deal comes around and Philly is willing to move on.

 

[Bmessy]

I want nothing to do with Skinner. This team needs guys like the Hornqvists, Ellers/Wilsons. Guys who are miserable to play against, make their living in the "dirty areas", and score in the playoffs. If you package skill from the outsides with guys who are willing to pay the price in front of the net it's a good recipe. Backes is the closest thing to it any of the guys I named. I hope he worked on his skating this offseason.

 

[Saxon Eric]

Would have easily given up a similar package to rent him.

Do we know for sure Boston didn't submit a similar package? switch Pu with Studnicka,keep everything else the same, I can see why Buffalo won out but... 30 teams couldn't beat that?
I know there was more to the story here with Cap concerns and Skinner having some control
Carolina would have done better at the deadline (assuming he healthy) GM's can't control themselves then

 

[LouJersey]

Do we know for sure Boston didn't submit a similar package? switch Pu with Studnicka,keep everything else the same, I can see why Buffalo won out but... 30 teams couldn't beat that?
I know there was more to the story here with Cap concerns and Skinner having some control
Carolina would have done better at the deadline (assuming he healthy) GM's can't control themselves then

Guessing we will never know.

 

[UncleRico]

current state... you probably got me there. ive seen at least 2 different david backes here in boston. seen the 2016-17 version that didn't fit in with Bergeron or krejci… seemingly was at 1/2 speed. got a lot of people disappointed

then I saw some other stuff in 2017-18. it was shaded by concussion issues and the whole intenstine thing... but in between was some impressive hockey performance. in a 41 game stretch of hockey beween November 29 when he came back from surgery and march 3rd he had 11 goas and 15 assists for 26 points. he had more than 16 mins icetime in a game only 10 time only 4 of those points are on the pp

when hes healthy... backes is one hell of a productive 3rd liner. his defense is superior to almost anyone he would face in this role.. his physicality is ideal for protecting guys like Heinen and donato as they adjust to nhl play

my problem with skinner is I don't think he helps his team much. in the last 6 years he has just 109 assists.. and is a -90. this is a guy that a weak Carolina team needing help. he had a period of 2o games in December where hhe was a minus 12 with just 3 goals and 3 assists. he has these stretches where he just goes invisible..


skinner at his best might be slightly better than an injured backs... but not by much

Backes defense was so bad in the playoffs he was relegated to the 4th line a couple of times because he could simply not keep up with faster skaters on both Toronto and Tampa.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

They were all over Kovalchuk, and wanted Rick Nash back, so I have to wonder how they feel about those guys playing second line duty

marchand Bergeron pasta
debrusk krejci skinner
donato Heinen backes
Bjork kuraly wagner
noel Nordstrom

kovalchuk is still a guy that world teams look at as an impact player... hes a guy who at his peak was a 21-22 min per night 50+ goal scorer who scared the crap out of the opposition. you and I might debate what to expect from him at this age... but I would say the bruins felt he had something left in the tank

as for nash… the guy flat out can play defense a lot better than casual fans knew. I didn't know. he is a very effective guy for a line that circles. he does get snake bit with his shots... but its as much bad luck as anything. its not as though the guy cant shoot. nash was struggling last year with the injury issues and still scored 21 goals... skinner in the prime of his career with no health problems only scored 24. nash plays an all round game even at his advanced age... skinner is very one dimensional

we don't know boston wanted nash back. theres some rumors that he wants to come back later... but there was nothing from the team that he is in their plans

in fact... we aggressively went have Tavares and kovalchuk… indicating they were in our plans. by extension I think its safe to argue that everyone else is down the list

I don't want the narrative to be... Sweeney messed up by not getting skinner at this 'incredibly cheap price.' I hate when fans moan and complain about things that are actually far more complicated. I do have to point out the economic realities of this type of situation.

earlier you mentioned skinner could be brought in if we get rid of McQuaid/Nordstrom/wagner… but that's far far far from accurate

you are elimination 3 contracts for 5 mill... adding 1 for 5.75... now add 2 more and you are up to 7

so you have still spent 2 addition million dollars... and you have added 2 roster spots at a minimum salary that might suck for only 1 roster spot that is upgraded. so now you still have a 2 million dollar hole that you have to fix

so... where does the other 2 million come from and how badly does that downgrade another position? 1 upgrade... 3 downgrades... its not the direction I want to take the team

im guessing that if we added Tavares or kovalchuk the plan was to move krejci or backes. that's quite an upgrade imho. but adding Tavares would have required more movement. for him, I say yes... for skinner I say no. I wouldn't want to move either krejci or backes to create room for skinner. hes just not that good. same with jvr. forget about the contract which sucked... I just don't make that many moves to add a 3rd line pp specialist.

skinner and jvr are both guys that couldn't play successfully on a first or even a second line on very bad teams that were desperate for more offense. both guys often got in the coaches dog house because they allow more goals than they score. these guys are the ones that break down defense assignments... the ones that don't pick up their checks... the ones that don't hustle to get back.

we aren't that desperate for offense. if we wanted a guy like this... donato will probably be a guy like this. we got one if we want one

 

[TCB]

yes,

Would have easily given up a similar package to rent him.

I don't know enough about Cliff Pu to say. I know hes had back to back 80+ point seasons in the OHL. Apparently Carolina really liked him and sometimes thats all it takes and if you have a similar player your offering up, your asked to add because of the infatuation that team has on said player. But yes. looking at it on Paper it looks as as if the Sabres didn't give up a lot.

 

[LouJersey]

kovalchuk is still a guy that world teams look at as an impact player... hes a guy who at his peak was a 21-22 min per night 50+ goal scorer who scared the crap out of the opposition. you and I might debate what to expect from him at this age... but I would say the bruins felt he had something left in the tank

as for nash… the guy flat out can play defense a lot better than casual fans knew. I didn't know. he is a very effective guy for a line that circles. he does get snake bit with his shots... but its as much bad luck as anything. its not as though the guy cant shoot. nash was struggling last year with the injury issues and still scored 21 goals... skinner in the prime of his career with no health problems only scored 24. nash plays an all round game even at his advanced age... skinner is very one dimensional

we don't know boston wanted nash back. theres some rumors that he wants to come back later... but there was nothing from the team that he is in their plans

in fact... we aggressively went have Tavares and kovalchuk… indicating they were in our plans. by extension I think its safe to argue that everyone else is down the list

I don't want the narrative to be... Sweeney messed up by not getting skinner at this 'incredibly cheap price.' I hate when fans moan and complain about things that are actually far more complicated. I do have to point out the economic realities of this type of situation.

earlier you mentioned skinner could be brought in if we get rid of McQuaid/Nordstrom/wagner… but that's far far far from accurate

you are elimination 3 contracts for 5 mill... adding 1 for 5.75... now add 2 more and you are up to 7

so you have still spent 2 addition million dollars... and you have added 2 roster spots at a minimum salary that might suck for only 1 roster spot that is upgraded. so now you still have a 2 million dollar hole that you have to fix

so... where does the other 2 million come from and how badly does that downgrade another position? 1 upgrade... 3 downgrades... its not the direction I want to take the team

im guessing that if we added Tavares or kovalchuk the plan was to move krejci or backes. that's quite an upgrade imho. but adding Tavares would have required more movement. for him, I say yes... for skinner I say no. I wouldn't want to move either krejci or backes to create room for skinner. hes just not that good. same with jvr. forget about the contract which sucked... I just don't make that many moves to add a 3rd line pp specialist.

skinner and jvr are both guys that couldn't play successfully on a first or even a second line on very bad teams that were desperate for more offense. both guys often got in the coaches dog house because they allow more goals than they score. these guys are the ones that break down defense assignments... the ones that don't pick up their checks... the ones that don't hustle to get back.

we aren't that desperate for offense. if we wanted a guy like this... donato will probably be a guy like this. we got one if we want one

Bruins are 2.95 under. Add McQuaid 2.75 and Nordstrom 1.

Covered Skinner.

You do realize Skinner would be playing with a very good centerman first time in a while? Look at what he’s produced?

And this team is fine offensively? Did you see the second round of the playoffs? Or just those November 6-2 wins?

Also I’m not bitching and moaning about it, just calling a spade a spade and saying we potentially dropped the ball.

Again, there is zero argument that Jeff Skinner makes his team better in a deal for futures. Zero.

 

[Absurdity]

Krug + Heinen for Theodore + Suzuki/Glass (basis)

Vegas adds some much needed offense to their backend, bottom half of the league last season in points by defensemen, and a young, two-way top 6 LW/RW who lessens the blow with Neal and Perron leaving while adding depth to Vegas' forward group, pushes a few forwards down the lineup. With Karlsson and Stastny making up their top 6C, Vegas can afford to move one of Suzuki or Glass in a deal that bolsters their wing position.

Bruins add a big top 4D in Theodore who should improve on his 29pt season last season if given more opportunities, powerplay. The Bruins also get a top C prospect which in my opinion, is the one thing they are missing the most in their prospect pool. The Bruins will still have Donato, Bjork, Cehlarik, and Senyshyn in the fold to make a push to make the opening day lineup, and Theodore would look great being paired with McAvoy.

 

[Dizzay]

Krug + Heinen for Theodore + Suzuki/Glass (basis)

Vegas adds some much needed offense to their backend, bottom half of the league last season in points by defensemen, and a young, two-way top 6 LW/RW who lessens the blow with Neal and Perron leaving while adding depth to Vegas' forward group, pushes a few forwards down the lineup. With Karlsson and Stastny making up their top 6C, Vegas can afford to move one of Suzuki or Glass in a deal that bolsters their wing position.

Bruins add a big top 4D in Theodore who should improve on his 29pt season last season if given more opportunities, powerplay. The Bruins also get a top C prospect which in my opinion, is the one thing they are missing the most in their prospect pool. The Bruins will still have Donato, Bjork, Cehlarik, and Senyshyn in the fold to make a push to make the opening day lineup, and Theodore would look great being paired with McAvoy.

I think this is the basis for a great proposal. Theodore/McAvoy pairing would be sick!
Not sold on the Heinen/Glass trade off though. I think one of Studnicka/JFK/Frederick are gonna shine at camp and win that 3C spot.

 

[Absurdity]

I think this is the basis for a great proposal. Theodore/McAvoy pairing would be sick!
Not sold on the Heinen/Glass trade off though. I think one of Studnicka/JFK/Frederick are gonna shine at camp and win that 3C spot.

I would say Theodore has more value than Krug since he is younger, is a RFA so he is under control longer, and has 1st-pairing potential, coach can trust him in all situations. Heinen bridges the gap in value, but Vegas adds one of their better prospects to even up the value. Even as the basis of the trade, those four involved being the main pieces moved, I think Boston may need to add a piece or two.

I agree, I think one of Studnicka, JFK, or Frederic will win the #3C spot. If the Bruins make this hypothetical deal, I don't think either Suzuki or Glass (I would prefer Suzuki) would be ready to jump in and take the #3C spot for the Bruins. What Suzuki/Glass would provide is that center prospect that has the potential to be a top 6 center rather than a middle 6 center like Studnicka, JFK, or Frederic (not to say Studnicka, JFK, or Frederic cannot change that with how they play and develop).

 

[wintersej]

Backes defense was so bad in the playoffs he was relegated to the 4th line a couple of times because he could simply not keep up with faster skaters on both Toronto and Tampa.

Two worst matchups in league for Backes. He would have been great vs Washington.

 

[UncleRico]

Two worst matchups in league for Backes. He would have been great vs Washington.

Two worst matchups in league for Backes. He would have been great vs Washington.

We have no idea how backes would have done against them so claiming he would be great against the team that won the Stanley cup, as he literally couldn’t do anything defensively against Toronto and Tampa is a reach.

Backes looked old and tired in both those series.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

We have no idea how backes would have done against them so claiming he would be great against the team that won the Stanley cup, as he literally couldn’t do anything defensively against Toronto and Tampa is a reach.

Backes looked old and tired in both those series.

honestly I thought riley nash and danton Heinen looked old and tired in both those series too... but I don't believe they are that old. maybe there was some injury issues at play? maybe the line suffered when each other struggled?

 

[Pia8988]

Krug + Heinen for Theodore + Suzuki/Glass (basis)

Vegas adds some much needed offense to their backend, bottom half of the league last season in points by defensemen, and a young, two-way top 6 LW/RW who lessens the blow with Neal and Perron leaving while adding depth to Vegas' forward group, pushes a few forwards down the lineup. With Karlsson and Stastny making up their top 6C, Vegas can afford to move one of Suzuki or Glass in a deal that bolsters their wing position.

Bruins add a big top 4D in Theodore who should improve on his 29pt season last season if given more opportunities, powerplay. The Bruins also get a top C prospect which in my opinion, is the one thing they are missing the most in their prospect pool. The Bruins will still have Donato, Bjork, Cehlarik, and Senyshyn in the fold to make a push to make the opening day lineup, and Theodore would look great being paired with McAvoy.

Glass wasn’t on the table for Karlsson. He wouldn’t be for Krug.

Great deal for Boston though. Would be a pretty big win.