Proposal: Bruins Trade proposals VIII - MOD in OP

[Blueston]

Well, I think 'draft and develop' is 50% of the gig. If you can get that part right you can suck at the other two things and still turn out alright. Of course, if you were passable at the other two you'd be better than alright.

I put up a list of so-called available players and tiered them a few days ago...

A-list
Mark Stone, OTT
Matt Duchene, OTT
Artemi Panarin, CBJ

B-list
Chris Kreider, NYR
Jakub Silfverberg, ANA
Micheal Ferland, CAR
Charlie Coyle, MIN
Ryan Dzingel, OTT
Gustav Nyquist, DET
Kevin Hayes, NYR
Mats Zuccarello, NYR
Brandon Saad, CHI
Tyler Toffoli, LAK
Jeff Carter, LAK
Marcus Johansson, NJD
Vlad Namestnikov, NYR
Wayne Simmonds, PHI
Mikkel Boedker, OTT
Kovalchuk, LAK
Derek Brassard, FLA

C-list
Alex Steen, STL
Patrick Maroon, STL
Brian Boyle, NJD
Luke Glendening, DET
Jack Roslovic, WPG
Andre Burakovsky, WSH
Tobias Rieder, EDM
Carl Hagelin, LAK
Jamie McGinn, FLA

@neelynugs said he thought we'd be in great shape if we got someone from the A list and someone from the B list but that realistically he was expecting someone from the B list and C list. It got me thinking, would two guys from the B list be enough? (Leave it to the B's to pass on the A-player to get two B-players but that's a story for a different time.)

No Schenn? Keep the dream alive.

 

[JCRO]

No Schenn? Keep the dream alive.

Assuming you're a blues fan from your profile pic and username as well as your inputs in here over the past few weeks ..

What real pieces interest you from the Bruins in a trade for Schenn?

Just curious to see an outside fans prospective/interest

 

[bp13]

It’s just a matter of time.

If folks think the Bs are getting past Toronto without significant upgrades that gel perfectly with their new linemates they’re nuts.

I agree. Especially on the road.

I have liked that matchup in the past and I think they absolutely have a better shot against them than TB or Washington, but the Bruins best add more than Toronto from here on out.

 

[Shoebottom88]

Haven’t posted in a while, but it’s my fave time of the year & I got a dime. Krejci has always done well with rugged wingers. So Kreider should be a priority. Good sniper, hits & crashes the net. I think he would thrive with Krejci. Not sure how to get him though. Maybe McAvoy & Backes for Kreider, K. Hayes, & Shattenkirk? Hayes would be a great #3C. Then maybe add Simmonds for a 3rd+ and see what he’s got left for the playoffs, or go big and try to get Ferland (Price might be too high for ferland)

Kreider Krejci Debrusk (Simmonds)
Cehlarik(Heinen)Hayes Simmonds(Debrusk)

McAvoy probably too steep a price, and maybe you could get him for a different package. But Kreider is only 27 and signed for another year at only $4 million. I think he is a difference maker. And having Hayes as your 3rd C would be amazing. Kreider & Hayes > Panarin or Duchesne IMO

 

[Oates2Neely]

Seems inevitable. Sadness.

I am and will always be a McQuaid fan, but let’s be honest here, the thought of him on the Leafs 3rd pairing doesn’t scare me one bit. The last game the Bruins played the Rangers the majority of the B’s forwards were skating circles around him. He’s not the McQuaid of 2011.

 

[BruinsBtn]

It’s just a matter of time.

If folks think the Bs are getting past Toronto without significant upgrades that gel perfectly with their new linemates they’re nuts.

Completely disagree. The Bruins will be Toronto with or without any additions. They have Toronto figured out; once you shut down the stretch pass, they're completely neutered. All the best-coached teams have the Leafs' number now. It's Tampa they need to worry about.

 

[AngryMilkcrates]

Report: Maple Leafs have shown interest in NHL enforcer.

According to a report from The Athletic's Rick Carpiniello the Toronto Maple Leafs have expressed interest in none other than former Boston Bruins enforcer Adam McQuaid.

Just say "NO" Adam.

 

[Absurdity]

Stone (pipe dream) > Kreider > Saad > Toffoli > Silfverberg > Nyquist > Dzingel > Simmonds

 

[Mathews28]

Okay, so if the B's are going to make a move with the Rags I would think the wise thing to do is give the Rags a 3rd for McQuaid just to keep the wrecking ball from coming back and destroying the Bruins one at a time. His inclusion into the Toronto lineup would be murder for the B's at this point. It would be ugleee!
At least reacquire him and then move him out west to anyone that has the need even if it means an overpay. McQuaid won't get Toronto a Stanley Cup but he will get them past the Bruins and with a good amount of revenge.

See what Vegas wants for Ryan Reaves. Can't stand him and he can't play, but he is the toughest guy in the league. He'll pound McQuaid.

 

[The don godfather]

Please for petesakes don't mention mcavoy for trade bait. Are you kidding me? 20 yr old stud dman for one year contract players .

 

[ORR2Sanderson2ORR]

No Schenn? Keep the dream alive.

Give it a couple years

 

[PlayMakers]

No Schenn? Keep the dream alive.

Lol. Fair enough, I'll go back and add him.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I am and will always be a McQuaid fan, but let’s be honest here, the thought of him on the Leafs 3rd pairing doesn’t scare me one bit. The last game the Bruins played the Rangers the majority of the B’s forwards were skating circles around him. He’s not the McQuaid of 2011.

He might take a dumbass 3rd man in penalty again. I could see him being a distraction for the Leafs at best.

 

[PlayMakers]

I agree. Especially on the road.

I have liked that matchup in the past and I think they absolutely have a better shot against them than TB or Washington, but the Bruins best add more than Toronto from here on out.

I mean, they will have added John Tavares, Jake Muzzin, Andreas Johansson (on pace for 20 goals and 43 points) and potentially Adam McQuaid since Game 7.

You can't 'not add' and expect the same outcome.

 

[SPV]

Don't think we need to get anyone to "deal" with McQuaid in the playoffs; nobody fights in the playoffs anymore. I love Adam, but he's not something that makes me worry about Toronto any more than their current roster already does.

 

[Coach Parker]

Has the parade started yet? Need the trade to go down...

 

[bp13]

I mean, they will have added John Tavares, Jake Muzzin, Andreas Johansson (on pace for 20 goals and 43 points) and potentially Adam McQuaid since Game 7.

You can't 'not add' and expect the same outcome.

Further, you had a semi-healthy Rick Nash, a Heinen playing with more offensive confidence, a real 3rd line center at the time, Chara a year younger, etc. Granted we didn't have Carlo (right?), but I think overall we were probably in a better spot a year ago than today right? And Toronto has added a top 4 D and a superstar. Not a big deal right?

 

[Sheppy]

I mean, they will have added John Tavares, Jake Muzzin, Andreas Johansson (on pace for 20 goals and 43 points) and potentially Adam McQuaid since Game 7.

You can't 'not add' and expect the same outcome.

100% and if you add, make the adds worth it and not 3/4th line tweeners.

 

[amt98Bruin]

Haven’t posted in a while, but it’s my fave time of the year & I got a dime. Krejci has always done well with rugged wingers. So Kreider should be a priority. Good sniper, hits & crashes the net. I think he would thrive with Krejci. Not sure how to get him though. Maybe McAvoy & Backes for Kreider, K. Hayes, & Shattenkirk? Hayes would be a great #3C. Then maybe add Simmonds for a 3rd+ and see what he’s got left for the playoffs, or go big and try to get Ferland (Price might be too high for ferland)

Kreider Krejci Debrusk (Simmonds)
Cehlarik(Heinen)Hayes Simmonds(Debrusk)

McAvoy probably too steep a price, and maybe you could get him for a different package. But Kreider is only 27 and signed for another year at only $4 million. I think he is a difference maker. And having Hayes as your 3rd C would be amazing. Kreider & Hayes > Panarin or Duchesne IMO

I’ve never understood this fascination with getting Krejci “crash and bang” wingers. He needs skill to be productive, not toughness. He’s looked and performed his best playing with 63 and 88, both highly skilled wingers, not so much the rugged type. And he currently looks well with Cehlarik, another skilled player who doesn’t necessarily play a heavy game.

His most successful year, his ~73 point year, was played predominantly with Wheeler and Ryder if my memory serves correctly. This thought that he needs big physical wingers to succeed is simply not true. Yes, he had very good years playing with tough wingers in Lucic and Horton/Iginla but all three of them were highly skilled offensive forwards. The fact they all play a physical game is more coincidental that necessary I believed. He needs talent that can play at his skill level, irregardless of how big of a hit they can deliver.

 

[Blueston]

Assuming you're a blues fan from your profile pic and username as well as your inputs in here over the past few weeks ..

What real pieces interest you from the Bruins in a trade for Schenn?

Just curious to see an outside fans prospective/interest

Blues #1 need (aside from not ever playing Jake Allen) is youngish LHD who can play in top 4. Gryz could be option and then build value from there.

Problem is forwards we might be looking at from Bs (Heinen, JFK, Donato) not sure any of them excite, so pick likely needs to be 1st but with Blues back in playoff race thinking we want players more than picks.

Maybe once new car smell wears off of Frederic you can send him back home to us (with Gryz).

 

[PlayMakers]

It's a fair question, but you need to define "enough"? If Sweeney gets two B guys, will people think he did "enough" to defend his job? Probably. Like Nash last season...he did something and it wasn't totally trivial. It wasn't going to be enough to allow them to cmpete for a Cup and everyone knew it, but it filled a hole and made them more capable. If that's his goal again, then 2 B players does the trick. They'll be knocked out by Game 6 in the 2nd round, at very best, but it would "help". If instead you define "enough" by standards that maybe Bergeron or Chara themselves would hold him, meaning giving them a REAL chance to compete for a Cup, then only an A guy or equivalent plus a B or C does the trick, IMO.

For my standards, I've never been about "renting" in the name of one season, and with the holes he's left/created on this team, I think doing so would be foolish. On the other hand, I have been about making a hockey trade to add a bona fide top 6 forward whom you plan to keep, either because they have term, or you will drop a bag of cash on them. That continues to be what I want to see. So a lot of the names in that B list have "Hey look, I made a trade so get off my back!" written all over them. Simmonds, Carter, etc. Those are Nash redux guys, maybe worse. That would be classic Bruins and right in lockstep with Sweeney's past, and thus it's exactly what I expect.

I define "enough" as in enough to compete for a Cup. In other words, would two B list additions make the B's contenders, or will it take an A and a B to get there.

Fwiw, I think you're a much harsher critic of this team's talent than I am. Last year they were a 112 point team, only 3 teams better in the league. They were top5 offensively, defensively, power play and penalty kill. On top of that, they added Rick Nash at the deadline which didn't work out and whether or not that should have been foreseeable is debatable but I don't' think Sweeney considered it a token, 'give the fans a trade so they'll get off my back' move. It cost them a 1st round pick. If he was going to make a move just to appease people I'd think he would have done something cheaper.

This year? Again, I'm not convinced they can't contend. To be in a playoff sot with all of the adversity they've gone through with injuries and with an incomplete lineup says a lot about the character and leadership of the team, as well as the amount of talent the handful of guys who carry this team have. I think it's a group worth investing in.

 

[PlayMakers]

I'm pretty sold on Dzingel at this point; plays the right side & would slot well next to Debrusk & Krejci to give us two good scoring lines.

I think Dzingel "plays the right side" is still up for debate. Ottawa fans say he's pretty much a left winger.

 

[TCB]

No Schenn? Keep the dream alive.

Give it a couple years

Yup:

Pavel Shen

 

[PlayMakers]

Stone (pipe dream) > Kreider > Saad > Toffoli > Silfverberg > Nyquist > Dzingel > Simmonds

In terms of on-ice play alone, I'd rank that particular list as...

Stone > Kreider > Nyquist > Dzingel > Silfverberg > Saad > Toffoli > Simmonds.

Silfverberg has a history of really ramping up his play in the playoffs.

 

[maxl7]

I’ve never understood this fascination with getting Krejci “crash and bang” wingers. He needs skill to be productive, not toughness. He’s looked and performed his best playing with 63 and 88, both highly skilled wingers, not so much the rugged type. And he currently looks well with Cehlarik, another skilled player who doesn’t necessarily play a heavy game.

His most successful year, his ~73 point year, was played predominantly with Wheeler and Ryder if my memory serves correctly. This thought that he needs big physical wingers to succeed is simply not true. Yes, he had very good years playing with tough wingers in Lucic and Horton/Iginla but all three of them were highly skilled offensive forwards. The fact they all play a physical game is more coincidental that necessary I believed. He needs talent that can play at his skill level, irregardless of how big of a hit they can deliver.

Couple this with the fact that he played with heavy, rugged guys like Backes and Beleskey and...not much happened.

I think people see the success Krejci had with Looch and Horton and think that line worked because they were physical, but I think it's more likely that they were good.