Proposal: Bruins Trade proposals VIII - MOD in OP

[Bmessy]

Jake Muzzin doing his best prime Boychuk impression and it pains to sit idly by.

Meanwhile we'll wait for Danton Heinen to hit the open net.

 

[sfvega]

See what Vegas wants for Ryan Reaves. Can't stand him and he can't play, but he is the toughest guy in the league. He'll pound McQuaid.

Reaves isn't a great player, but he's actually a really solid 4th liner. Can't see Vegas moving him.

 

[ODAAT]

In terms of on-ice play alone, I'd rank that particular list as...

Stone > Kreider > Nyquist > Dzingel > Silfverberg > Saad > Toffoli > Simmonds.

Silfverberg has a history of really ramping up his play in the playoffs.

and he (Silfverberg) has tons of playoff experience which holds huge value IMO

 

[Lord Ahriman]

It’s just a matter of time.

If folks think the Bs are getting past Toronto without significant upgrades that gel perfectly with their new linemates they’re nuts.

This team needs serious help upfront (at least a scoring winger) or another bad stretch could even make playoffs out of reach.

 

[Mathews28]

Reaves isn't a great player, but he's actually a really solid 4th liner. Can't see Vegas moving him.

Hmmm.

He averages 11 points per season over his career. Has 39 career NHL goals in 551 games. Half of them probably hit him and bounced in.

But he is the toughest dude in the league.

 

[missingchicklet]

I don't give two shits about Toronto. Yeah they are a better team than last year and will beat the B's in a 7 game series if two rosters stay roughly the same. What I care about is what happens if the B's get past Toronto. I don't want a lineup upgraded so that it can just get past the Leafs. I want a lineup that can get past the Leafs then compete with the likes of TB and the Caps. A big add is the only way that happens, period. No point in having the best line in hockey signed to great contracts if you are going to he content with maybe winning a round. There are no prospects that are going to fill that massive hole any time soon. Take care of the issue now and quit wasting time. Why in the hell does it make sense to waste yet another season while sitting on your hands while the big guns keep improving and salaries keep going up? Either shit or get off the pot and let someone else give it a go who has the balls to make the tough decisions. Three seasons and 7 games won total in the playoffs. Not exactly setting the world on fire. A couple mediocre additions are kicking the can down the road.

 

[wintersej]

I am and will always be a McQuaid fan, but let’s be honest here, the thought of him on the Leafs 3rd pairing doesn’t scare me one bit. The last game the Bruins played the Rangers the majority of the B’s forwards were skating circles around him. He’s not the McQuaid of 2011.

The Bruins have 3 advantages over Toronto.

1) Bergeron line
2) Bruins are elite at defending the rush
3) physically dominating the Leafs D on the cycle.

Adding Muzz and McQuaid hurts #3 a lot.

 

[Gee Wally]

See what Vegas wants for Ryan Reaves. Can't stand him and he can't play, but he is the toughest guy in the league. He'll pound McQuaid.

I'll tell ya if we could get Kreider and Reaves I'd be one happy old son of a bitch.

 

[bp13]

I define "enough" as in enough to compete for a Cup. In other words, would two B list additions make the B's contenders, or will it take an A and a B to get there.

Fwiw, I think you're a much harsher critic of this team's talent than I am. Last year they were a 112 point team, only 3 teams better in the league. They were top5 offensively, defensively, power play and penalty kill. On top of that, they added Rick Nash at the deadline which didn't work out and whether or not that should have been foreseeable is debatable but I don't' think Sweeney considered it a token, 'give the fans a trade so they'll get off my back' move. It cost them a 1st round pick. If he was going to make a move just to appease people I'd think he would have done something cheaper.

This year? Again, I'm not convinced they can't contend. To be in a playoff sot with all of the adversity they've gone through with injuries and with an incomplete lineup says a lot about the character and leadership of the team, as well as the amount of talent the handful of guys who carry this team have. I think it's a group worth investing in.

Well hang on...let me defend myself.

I like this team too. Best 1st line in the game IMO, terrific power play, solid D and very good goaltending. A lot of key pieces are there, and I've never argued that. I think they can make a run, but they absolutely can't do it without significant top 6/middle 6 help. One line teams who rely on special teams are in big trouble in the playoffs. TB and Toronto are ridiculously deep, and the Bruins have multiple players in their middle 6 who don't belong in the NHL. That's a bad spot to be in.

I'm not saying it will/would be easy to add a top 6 winger AND a 3rd line center, but he's had these needs since the summer. And the rest of this team is good enough to make a run. And like you said, they put up over 100 points last year. Toronto goes out and adds a superstar, TB is still a juggernaut. What is Sweeney's ****ing excuse? Do your job. It's that simple. And yeah I get it...trades are hard. Cry me a river. Key players are aging, this team is currently healthy with two quality goalies. The league is more open than it has been. It's time the GM stepped up.

 

[sfvega]

Hmmm.

He averages 11 points per season over his career. Has 39 career NHL goals in 551 games. Half of them probably hit him and bounced in.

But he is the toughest dude in the league.

He has 16 points this year, including occasional PP time. Again, he's not an All Star, but people make him out to be a bum. I'm sure Vegas fans can tell you, he's a solid 4th liner that they'd prefer to keep. You can still keep crappin on the guy, but it doesn't make it accurate.

 

[Duffy04]

Further, you had a semi-healthy Rick Nash, a Heinen playing with more offensive confidence, a real 3rd line center at the time, Chara a year younger, etc. Granted we didn't have Carlo (right?), but I think overall we were probably in a better spot a year ago than today right? And Toronto has added a top 4 D and a superstar. Not a big deal right?

You're forgetting we upgraded at defensive healthy scratch, going from McQuaid to Moore, and we had an upgrade at backup goalie too.

 

[lucic27]

trade Rangers ( Zibanejab, Kreider, Pionk and reunite Mcquaid
Boston trade ( McAvoy , JFK , Donato, Senyshen, Kämpfer )

the rangers rebuilt the teams coach Quinn coacher (McAvoy JFK boston university)
the Boston bruins Bergeron krejci chara rask miller marchand halak 30 years old ++++)

Marchand Bergeron Zibanejab
Kreider Krejci Pastrnak
DeBrusk Backes Heinen ( Studnicka replace Backes next years )
Nodstrom Kuraly Wagner
spare ( Celharick Acciari )

Chara Carlo
Krug Miller
Grzelcyk (Pionk good d man ) control puck good pp
Moore Mcquaid ( experience inforcer )

Rask and Halak

More prospect ( Studnicka Frederic Lauzon Vaakanainen Zboril Bildh)

Same players for 2 at 3 years very important

 

[TSBruins13]

I'd give up quite a bit for the Bruins to land Laine. What would it take?

Debrusk, Vaak a 1st and 2nd?

If not, hope we see Dzingle/Boyle added.

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

You're forgetting we upgraded at defensive healthy scratch, going from McQuaid to Moore, and we had an upgrade at backup goalie too.

Moore and the"back up" won a lot of games when we needed them. Rask to some time to get back to form and without the "backup" doing his job we would be looking at a lottery pick thread.

Moore was terrific most of the year as well. BOTH great signings

 

[4ORRBRUIN]

I'd give up quite a bit for the Bruins to land Laine. What would it take?

Debrusk, Vaak a 1st and 2nd?

If not, hope we see Dzingle/Boyle added.

Team can't score goals and you want to add Boyle? Dzingle is a good player but he will not turn this offence around.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I'd give up quite a bit for the Bruins to land Laine. What would it take?

Debrusk, Vaak a 1st and 2nd?

If not, hope we see Dzingle/Boyle added.

Are there legit rumors surrounding Laine? I’d probably give that package for him, but I’d try to keep Vaak.

 

[ODAAT]

Team can't score goals and you want to add Boyle? Dzingle is a good player but he will not turn this offence around.

if added today, he`d be 2nd in goals scored and 5th in pts playing for an absolute trainwreck of a team right now in Ottawa, he`s a nice player

 

[TCB]

Are there legit rumors surrounding Laine? I’d probably give that package for him, but I’d try to keep Vaak.

The Jets are trying to win a Cup, so I doubt it.

 

[whitetape]

Why would the B's want an extremely expensive player accused of floating through games, even in the playoffs, all the while playing for a top team in a city passionate about hockey? No thanks: no Laine.

 

[LouJersey]

If Laine was truly available I would offer anything the Jets wanted other than Bergeron and Pasta.

 

[Coach Parker]

Are there legit rumors surrounding Laine? I’d probably give that package for him, but I’d try to keep Vaak.

Only the same sort of rumblings that we heard about Seguin and Kessel. Off-ice issues, terrible in the D zone and possibly high contract demands.

Likely a pipedream but would you be shocked to see him in the pressbox when Ehlers comes back?

 

[Gordoff]

Couple this with the fact that he played with heavy, rugged guys like Backes and Beleskey and...not much happened.

I think people see the success Krejci had with Looch and Horton and think that line worked because they were physical, but I think it's more likely that they were good.

They were good AND physical...

 

[Duffy04]

Moore and the"back up" won a lot of games when we needed them. Rask to some time to get back to form and without the "backup" doing his job we would be looking at a lottery pick thread.

Moore was terrific most of the year as well. BOTH great signings

I wasn't trying to take a shot at Moore or Halak, both have proven to be valuable to the team so far this season and I'm glad Sweeney added them to the roster. Halak should mean Tuukka is better rested when the playoffs roll around and Moore has proven he's capable of filling in on the blueline when the injury bug inevitably strikes.

I just wanted to emphasize bp13s point that Toronto has improved from the playoff team we saw last year, while Boston improved their depth, but the starting 20 remain largely unchanged if everyone is healthy.

 

[Mainehockey33]

The Jets are trying to win a Cup, so I doubt it.

That’s what I thought, but maybe a couple NHL regulars like Debrusk and Grzelcyk tempt them?

 

[Shoebottom88]

Couple this with the fact that he played with heavy, rugged guys like Backes and Beleskey and...not much happened.

I think people see the success Krejci had with Looch and Horton and think that line worked because they were physical, but I think it's more likely that they were good.

Kreider isn’t Backes or Belesky. He is a very tenacious, talented, fast player.