Confirmed with Link: Bruins sign Ryan White to PTO

[PatriceBergeronFan]

****ing hated him on the Habs which means I'd probably love him on the Bruins. Dude's a banger, can skate and it'll at least give us a forward who can throw hands on occasion.

Bingo. He better drop the gloves early and often.

 

[Gordoff]

Any chance, even a slim one that maybe, hopefully there's another move coming where Beleskey is on the way out? Wishful thinking?

Also a bit off topic: Wondering if Bergy re-injured his hernia and needs a surgical tune-up?

 

[Colt.45Orr]

Really like the Ryan White approach --hopefully this is the end of guys like Schaller (220pds and not willing to use it while tracking pucks/players down).

I despised (while appreciating his style of play) Ryan White whilst on the Habs, and he was damn good with the Hitmen back in the day so I'm optimistic about this.

 

[finchster]

He's better than Rinaldo, that's all I got. I wonder who made this decision .

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Quite a leap in logic right there, to automatically assume he'll fight a skill player and injure them.

And then to insult my intelligence, after making said leap.

Why so hostile?

1) Because hoping two guys on the same team fight in practice to provide some life is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen posted here.

2) Where did I say he was going to fight a “skill” player? That was pure assumption on your part.

3) Who exactly would White fight? I keep hearing how soft the B’s are, so I doubt anyone would oblige anyway...

4) Because hoping two guys on the same team fight in practice to provide some life is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen posted here.

Yeah, it was SO dumb I had to list it twice.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I don't know why we would want a soft player like Heinen on the fourth line or any line for that matter. He seems like a very boring player.
I'm not one to be such a huge fan of a player to want him added to the team with no role to play.

Don’t ever change, you are just digging the hole deeper.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

There's a difference between owning those things, like Marchand did, like Connor Brown did, and being a two way guy who can contribute there. Heinen needs his offensive game to be successful and it won't be with 4th line minutes and 4th line players. If he can play an offensive role right now, like Cehlarik can, he should. Neither belongs on a 4th line.

I’m not sure how much you have watched Heinen at Denver or in PRO, but he’s not the offense-only player you are trying to make him out to be.

I would prefer him in a Top 9 role if possible, but if that’s not there right now, why not replace a Schaller (who isn’t physical anyway) with a guy that can do the same things defensively that he can and potentially add some offense as well.

 

[Fenian24]

Would of been, maybe in 1995.

And scoring isn't the only way to evaluate 4th line forwards, but it's PART of the evaluation, like it or not.

Connor Brown is functioning just fine in Toronto in a 4th line role with PP time.

The fabled Merlot line had one decently skilled winger in Paille.

And if anything, Boston having three of their top forwards being ace penalty killers (Bergeron, Marchand, Backes) gives them the luxury more than most teams, of NOT needing ALL THREE 4th line guys to be penalty killers. Even more reason to add some skill and scoring to one of those 4th line spots. Having 3 PK forwards on the 4th line isn't going to relieve Bergeron or Marchand of any sort of minutes to allow for improved 5 on 5 play.

No one here is pulling for a "kid line", some here see the league has changed, the game has changed, and having some scoring punch on that 4th line is the way things are done now.

Limited and inconsistent minutes? Most teams roll 4 lines now providing all 4 are playing well. Minutes get limited later in games for some, but the bulk of the game is played rolling lines 35-45 second shifts 5 on 5 play.

So is Matt Martin

 

[Fenian24]

I’m not sure how much you have watched Heinen at Denver or in PRO, but he’s not the offense-only player you are trying to make him out to be.

I would prefer him in a Top 9 role if possible, but if that’s not there right now, why not replace a Schaller (who isn’t physical anyway) with a guy that can do the same things defensively that he can and potentially add some offense as well.

Why have either on your team, I have zero faith in Heinen from what I have seen in the NHL, but lets face facts I see a young, soft Petr Tenkrat and you see somebody who might score 8 goals this year, not throw a hit, have no physicality to his game, avoid contact at all costs but have offensive potential and not take penalties. While I would replace those 8 goals with Ryan White or Ryan Reaves who will score 5 goals and hit, fight, be physical and bring a veteran presence to the fourth line that I would have Kuraly center. We are never going to agree on this, you want Disney Princess' on ice I want the Broad Street Bullies. We look at the game from two totally different perspectives.

As far as Schaller goes, he is the classic just a guy, 14th forward who won't hurt you but brings nothing to the table.

 

[BruinDust]

True.

Ideally for me, every 4th line has a "Matt Martin" on one wing.

One wing, not two.

 

[Fenian24]

I agree, while I would love the Miller-O'Dwyer-Byers line resurrected I get that it wouldn't work today. But I really don't want a prospect on the fourth line who should be getting 20 minutes a night in Providence, that includes prospect I like and don't, give them time to develop. It's a waste having a skilled prospect on a line that won't get a ton of ice time while he could be playing in every situation in the minors. Kuraly and Nash can kill penalties, Kuraly has some offensive skill and White would compliment those two. Heinen-JFK-Cehlarik should be Providences top line, not Boston's Fourth.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Why have either on your team, I have zero faith in Heinen from what I have seen in the NHL, but lets face facts I see a young, soft Petr Tenkrat and you see somebody who might score 8 goals this year, not throw a hit, have no physicality to his game, avoid contact at all costs but have offensive potential and not take penalties. While I would replace those 8 goals with Ryan White or Ryan Reaves who will score 5 goals and hit, fight, be physical and bring a veteran presence to the fourth line that I would have Kuraly center. We are never going to agree on this, you want Disney Princess' on ice I want the Broad Street Bullies. We look at the game from two totally different perspectives.

As far as Schaller goes, he is the classic just a guy, 14th forward who won't hurt you but brings nothing to the table.

Petr Tenkrat?

Please just stop. The comparisons you throw out to fit your agenda is just ridiculous. I don’t think I have seen one person say that the B’s should have an “all skill” 4th line, but you don’t seem to be able to comprehend this for some reason?

For the record, I have no problem with White on the 4th line as long as he can still contribute (skate, hit, chip in the occasional goal and stay out of the box). I have been saying all along that I wanted a 4th line that can skate and hit, but I also want ONE player on the line that can provide an offensive element.

What would be wrong with a line consisting of:

Heinen-Nash/Kuraly-White/Acciari

Where Heinen replaces a guy like Schaller, who doesn’t hit or give you much offensively.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

I agree, while I would love the Miller-O'Dwyer-Byers line resurrected I get that it wouldn't work today. But I really don't want a prospect on the fourth line who should be getting 20 minutes a night in Providence, that includes prospect I like and don't, give them time to develop. It's a waste having a skilled prospect on a line that won't get a ton of ice time while he could be playing in every situation in the minors. Kuraly and Nash can kill penalties, Kuraly has some offensive skill and White would compliment those two. Heinen-JFK-Cehlarik should be Providences top line, not Boston's Fourth.

Here we go again with an “all prospect” 4th line (which ZERO people have suggested). There are prospects that need to play 16-18 minutes a night in PRO, and there are prospects that would get just as much/more out of playing 8-10 minutes a night in the NHL and practicing with NHL caliber teammates. Boychuk and McQuaid made the jump to NHL regulars from the 7th D spot, where they didn’t even play in games, but were able to practice against NHL caliber players and get NHL coaching.

 

[Fenian24]

Petr Tenkrat?

Please just stop. The comparisons you throw out to fit your agenda is just ridiculous. I don’t think I have seen one person say that the B’s should have an “all skill” 4th line, but you don’t seem to be able to comprehend this for some reason?

For the record, I have no problem with White on the 4th line as long as he can still contribute (skate, hit, chip in the occasional goal and stay out of the box). I have been saying all along that I wanted a 4th line that can skate and hit, but I also want ONE player on the line that can provide an offensive element.

What would be wrong with a line consisting of:

Heinen-Nash/Kuraly-White/Acciari

Where Heinen replaces a guy like Schaller, who doesn’t hit or give you much offensively.

this isn't picking on Heinen it would be any of the young offensive prospects in Providence, I believe they are better served playing more and in all situations to learn the pro game in Providence than 10 minutes a night in Boston. This include Heinen, JFK, Senyshyn and Gabrielle. If you want to put a purely offensive forward on a line with White and Kuraly I would look to acquire a vet, how that would effect chemistry on a line like that I would have to see but I would rather do that than put a prospect in that situation. I agree with Schaller, he brings nothing.

 

[Fenian24]

Here we go again with an “all prospect” 4th line (which ZERO people have suggested). There are prospects that need to play 16-18 minutes a night in PRO, and there are prospects that would get just as much/more out of playing 8-10 minutes a night in the NHL and practicing with NHL caliber teammates. Boychuk and McQuaid made the jump to NHL regulars from the 7th D spot, where they didn’t even play in games, but were able to practice against NHL caliber players and get NHL coaching.

Both also spent at least one full year in the minors, in Boychuks case a lot longer.

 

[ODAAT]

this place will explode if Sweeney and his fellow decision makers decide White isn`t worth signing if they don`t like what they see during his PTO or whatever it`s called

 

[GloryDaze4877]

Both also spent at least one full year in the minors, in Boychuks case a lot longer.

Heinen and Cehlarik have both played a full year in the AHL (more games than Kuraly) and Cehlarik 3 additional seasons as a pro in the SHL. Czarnik has two AHL years.

Also, to address the comments in your other reply. Not sure where this idea has come from that Heinen is a purely offensive player like say Senyshyn? He’s a 3 zone player who has excellent positioning and has killed penalties at the last two levels he has played at, and should be able to do so in the NHL as well.

 

[Fenian24]

Heinen and Cehlarik have both played a full year in the AHL (more games than Kuraly) and Cehlarik 3 additional seasons as a pro in the SHL. Czarnik has two AHL years.

Also, to address the comments in your other reply. Not sure where this idea has come from that Heinen is a purely offensive player like say Senyshyn? He’s a 3 zone player who has excellent positioning and has killed penalties at the last two levels he has played at, and should be able to do so in the NHL as well.

I'm basing my opinion of Heinen on what I saw in Boston, I didn't see many AHL games last year. Cehlarik I would try with Pasta and Kreji again, but he has to produce this time, "chemistry" or not, he didn't produce last year and if he doesn't put up points with them this year they would have to reevaluate. This would allow DeBrusk time to break in with Kuraly and White while Cehlarik gets another look. I have stated many times I don't think Czarnik is an NHL caliber player, I really don't get the fascination some have with him, yup he's fast, That's it.

 

[BruinDust]

Heinen and Cehlarik have both played a full year in the AHL (more games than Kuraly) and Cehlarik 3 additional seasons as a pro in the SHL. Czarnik has two AHL years.

Also, to address the comments in your other reply. Not sure where this idea has come from that Heinen is a purely offensive player like say Senyshyn? He’s a 3 zone player who has excellent positioning and has killed penalties at the last two levels he has played at, and should be able to do so in the NHL as well.

Exactly, I see a PJ Axelsson with a better scoring touch in Heinen, I don't see a big time point producer, just a good solid two-way winger. He'd be fine on the 4th line, heck, it might be where he ends up playing the bulk of his career, floating between the 3rd and 4th line. He may never be a true scoring Top 6 forward.

The thing about Heinen (or any prospect F) is they aren't playing 4-5 mins a night on the 4th line, especially if they can kill penalties or be a PP specialist. You're more likely to see 10-12 min., providing they aren't hurting the team, and if they are, they shouldn't be here.

And they aren't getting 20+ min. a night in Providence either. Rare even at the AHL level to see forwards routinely play 20+ min.

So your really comparing 10-12 mins. at the NHL level vs. 16-18 mins. at the AHL level.

If they can play AND contribute at the NHL level, they are better off up here on the 4th line, adjusting to the speed and more structured game of the NHL, than in the AHL. That being said, one young forward like a Heinen or Debrusk on the 4th line is enough.

 

[BruinDust]

I'm basing my opinion of Heinen on what I saw in Boston, I didn't see many AHL games last year. Cehlarik I would try with Pasta and Kreji again, but he has to produce this time, "chemistry" or not, he didn't produce last year and if he doesn't put up points with them this year they would have to reevaluate. This would allow DeBrusk time to break in with Kuraly and White while Cehlarik gets another look. I have stated many times I don't think Czarnik is an NHL caliber player, I really don't get the fascination some have with him, yup he's fast, That's it.

I agree with you on Czarnik, probably the one young forward I DO NOT want on the 4th line.

 

[ODAAT]

Heinen and Cehlarik have both played a full year in the AHL (more games than Kuraly) and Cehlarik 3 additional seasons as a pro in the SHL. Czarnik has two AHL years.

Also, to address the comments in your other reply. Not sure where this idea has come from that Heinen is a purely offensive player like say Senyshyn? He’s a 3 zone player who has excellent positioning and has killed penalties at the last two levels he has played at, and should be able to do so in the NHL as well.

Exactly, while I read much about Heinen having good, quick hands, most of the articles/video featuring coaches when speaking of him spoke highly of his responsible and mature 3 zone play who had potential to play in the top 6 but more likely bottom 6th (more likely wind up 3rd line?)

I dunno, we`ve seen so many players drafted who have had to re-invent themselves and tailor their game in order to crack an NHL roster by adopting a different role. We need look no further than Paille here, a solid junior player, not a guy who won any scoring titles but I suspect the Sabres drafted him in the first round not with visions of him developing into one of the more respected 4th liners but as a top 6 threat.

Didn`t happen, Paille realized and clearly accepted he needed to work on aspects of his game needed on the bottom 6 and to his credit, did just that and for a few years, was part of the best 4th line in the game

 

[Gee Wally]

ex-Canadien Ryan White, cut free by Vancouver after being invited to camp, serving as a spare part on his second tryout contract within the last two months.

“Different being on the dark side,” said the former Montreal irritant. “But I think if you asked my old man, I look good in black.”

White, concussed in his first preseason audition with Vancouver, was released from his tryout agreement Saturday. By then, the Bruins knew Noel Acciari (broken finger) and David Backes (diverticulitis) probably would be out until November. The 29-year-old White is a grinder who split last season banging bodies and chucking knuckles between Minnesota and Arizona. He is not guaranteed a Black-and-Gold jersey, let alone a contract.
But the right-shot wing has experience, sandpaper, and a straight-line approach that could help if the Bruins need fourth-line presence.
“I’m just going to play my game wherever I go,” White said. “I’m probably here for a reason. Just play physical, straight up-and-down, north-south game. Chip in where I can. Pretty self-explanatory the way I play. Can’t change it now.”

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/b...B7MI/story.html?p1=Article_Recirculation_Pos2

 

[GloryDaze4877]

For some reason, I thought White was older than 29. Was thinking 33/34 for some reason LOL. If the concussion doesn’t linger, there should be no reason why he can’t pick up where he left off.

He had solid numbers for a 4th liner, wonder why there wasn’t more interest in him?? (serious, not sarcastic)

 

[ODAAT]

For some reason, I thought White was older than 29. Was thinking 33/34 for some reason LOL. If the concussion doesn’t linger, there should be no reason why he can’t pick up where he left off.

He had solid numbers for a 4th liner, wonder why there wasn’t more interest in him?? (serious, not sarcastic)

I think his reputation of being a veteran player who still doesn`t discipline himself enough is the red flag with him. Not sure anyone can disagree he plays physically, will drop the mitts, contribute a bit offensively but I`ll ask this of you and others, I know he might make the B`s lineup tougher in the sense of physicality/scraps, but would White make this team stronger/better than who`s available?

I`m not close to being convinced he would but I know some here are more focused on this teams overall toughness, not my concern, I want the best team out on the ice, I`ll gladly come on with my worn knife and fork for Crow eating if necessary but I`m feeling pretty safe that I won`t have to

 

[Dr Hook]

I think his reputation of being a veteran player who still doesn`t discipline himself enough is the red flag with him. Not sure anyone can disagree he plays physically, will drop the mitts, contribute a bit offensively but I`ll ask this of you and others, I know he might make the B`s lineup tougher in the sense of physicality/scraps, but would White make this team stronger/better than who`s available?

I`m not close to being convinced he would but I know some here are more focused on this teams overall toughness, not my concern, I want the best team out on the ice, I`ll gladly come on with my worn knife and fork for Crow eating if necessary but I`m feeling pretty safe that I won`t have to

Apparently the B's aren't convinced either, thus the PTO . He might be worth a 2-way deal for the season if injuries continue to be a problem in the bottom 6, but from what I remember of seeing him last season, he doesn't seem to be any type of long-term answer.