Post-Game Talk: Bruce there it Is - Canucks def. Kings - 4-0 (Boeser, Garland, Lammikko, Miller)

[Sedinery]

Even now imac praises green blames jb

media loved green

 

[likash]

I have been saying that this roster is capable of winning. Green and Baumer were the problems. We should have fired King

We should have cleaned out the coaching staff in the off season. Dim jim made alot of mistakes but he also made some good moves. Would have preferred we waited until we saw what real coaches could do with what we have

Wait on Jim ? Have you lost your mind? You realize that this is his all in team? Bruce would have bought Jimbo more time to burry us. I can see you Jimbo stans coming back to praise him for how he build the team.

Jimbo only made some bad moves? You sound like a casual who started watching the canucks in the bubble. I was hoping guys like you left with Jimmy.

 

[logan5]

I think I heard iMac saying late last night on 650 that the Canucks played the same against the Kings as they had previously with Green, which was not the case.

 

[December5th]

need to work on the powerplay. canucks players just standing still passing back and fourth accomplishing very little but with the high risk of passing through players. why dont they move around to create open spaces?

 

[likash]

I think I heard iMac saying late last night on 650 that the Canucks played the same against the Kings as they had previously with Green, which was not the case.

We finished our chaces while the kings did not. We played with more enthusiasm but still made o lot of mistakes. Demko was very good.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I have been saying that this roster is capable of winning. Green and Baumer were the problems. We should have fired King

We should have cleaned out the coaching staff in the off season. Dim jim made alot of mistakes but he also made some good moves. Would have preferred we waited until we saw what real coaches could do with what we have

We ?? You understand that the GM is responsible for hiring and firing coaches right ??? In a 'normal' sports franchise anyhow. Jim Benning is the reason Green and the coaching staff were still here until yesterday.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

i woke up still happy

kiddo ran into our bedroom at 6:30 to ask if demko got the shutout







2014 was a long time ago eh?

 

[Lonny Bohonos]

x1000

I struggle to think of many major coaching/GM changes, regardless of sport or league, that hasn’t resulted in that immediate short-term boost.. unfortunately more often than not returning to the average in fairly short order (but not always! let’s hope there is substance beyond the honeymoon). It’s just a given. I was talking to people earlier in the day saying ‘now just watch out the next handful of games…’. Rarely fails.

Any literature I could find on this back when AV was getting canned basically indicated this.

Partly why Im generally against coaching change as a way to improve a failing club.

It almost never the coach that is the main issue.

 

[BobRouse]

Probably. A bit. Bb’s an offensive specialist but he didn’t get to where his record is now by ignoring defence.
Let’s be clear. Bb isn’t perfect. He probably wouldn’t have been my first choice, but I think he’s exactly what our boys need in this moment in time.

you guys should all go back and look up articles on the 07-08 Caps.

BB plays defense by relentless attack. He really was way ahead of his time I’m an analytics way.

He immediately promoted rookie Backstrom from 4th line to 1st line and made Mike Green the PP qb over Tom Poti among the myriad of other roster decisions that turned the Caps season around. He boosted you g players like Semin, Ovie, Fleischman, Green and Backstrom.

if he had more to work with on D and a real goalie (McPhee was a highly overrated GM) the Caps would have had more success under him

 

[tantalum]

Boudreau himself says a new coach bounce is temporary.

He seemed pretty honest in his post-game conference that there were ample mistakes to work on but that they are fixable. He just wants effort right now. The other stuff will sort itself out. Some players will rise to the challenge and others will continue their fall out of the NHL. But players will be given chances.

 

[Hoglander]

Still pretty funny, how we score and get the elusive shutout. It's like all the bad mojo evaporated immediately after getting rid of the people that were causing it.

 

[VanCanFanEDM]

anyone else feel was Myers best game not close

I agree. I feel Myers game is probably alot better suited to a more aggressive style where he is using is best asset, his skating and size moving up and down the ice ; rather then being more stationary and hanging back trying to make defensive reads.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

i’m not responding to anyone specific saying but new coach bounce, which is real of course, but the important thing about last night, on top of being psychically cleansing for the fanbase, is that yes, any team with a heart and some pride would come out hard and win game one under a new coach on pure adrenaline.

but let’s remember that as of like three days ago, none of us knew if this team had an ounce of pride or heart, or if they’d collectively had their spirits irreparably broken and all become basically loui eriksson. i for one am glad as f*** that we now know they do have some.

 

[Sedinery]

We ?? You understand that the GM is responsible for hiring and firing coaches right ??? In a 'normal' sports franchise anyhow. Jim Benning is the reason Green and the coaching staff were still here until yesterday.

Absolutely agree

Jb’s biggest 2 mistakes were hiring Willie and Green

and also not punting Green when it was apparent Green was in incompetent

As we begin to turn it around under a real coach remember who put the core that is winning together

 

[Sedinery]

Miller , hughes, podz, hogs, bo, ep and garland are all core guys that JB added

he also made huge mistakes in Jake, oj, loui, roussel, myers contract, Pearson contract and hiring incompetent coaches

jb sucked but had some hits. Green and baumer were outright useless incompetent morons

 

[PuckMunchkin]

We finished our chaces while the kings did not. We played with more enthusiasm but still made o lot of mistakes. Demko was very good.

Obvious differences;

Energy; New coach bump at full effect.

The PK forecheck caused Kings problems; This was non existent under Green and Baum.

Players getting ice time; Bruce had no favourites going in, nobody in the dog house.



Implementing new systems will take weeks.

Absolutely agree

Jb’s biggest 2 mistakes were hiring Willie and Green

and also not punting Green when it was apparent Green was in incompetent

As we begin to turn it around under a real coach remember who put the core that is winning together

His biggest mistakes were:
Picking Juolevi.
Picking Virtanen.
Signing Loui Eriksson.
Trading for and extending Gudbranson.
Signing Jay Beagle.
Signing Roussell.
Signing Ferland.
Signing Tyler Myers.
Signing Poolman.
Resining Pearson.
Letting Tanev walk.
Letting Markström walk.
Letting Toffoli walk.
Trading for Miller when the team was nowhere close to contention.
Trading for OEL.


The core is about to be middle-aged.

We are further away from contending than at any point since the WCE era.

 

[Sedinery]

Obvious differences;

Energy; New coach bump at full effect.

The PK forecheck caused Kings problems; This was non existent under Green and Baum.

Players getting ice time; Bruce had no favourites going in, nobody in the dog house.



Implementing new systems will take weeks.



His biggest mistakes were:
Picking Juolevi.
Picking Virtanen.
Signing Loui Eriksson.
Trading for and extending Gudbranson.
Signing Jay Beagle.
Signing Roussell.
Signing Ferland.
Signing Tyler Myers.
Signing Poolman.
Resining Pearson.
Letting Tanev walk.
Letting Markström walk.
Letting Toffoli walk.
Trading for Miller when the team was nowhere close to contention.
Trading for OEL.


The core is about to be middleaged.

We are further away from contending than at any point since 2011.

There is zero way to keep Marky amd frankly keeping Demko was the better way to spend the cap funds

signing ferland was low risk and didn’t hurt us with the cap given the injuries

Can’t disagree with the others

 

[Hit the post]

There is zero way to keep Marky amd frankly keeping Demko was the better way to spend the cap funds

signing ferland was low risk and didn’t hurt us with the cap given the injuries

Can’t disagree with the others

It wasn't in a sense his contract wasn't insured. There's a reason why a HUGE contract like Loui E was moveable (not without some cost) & Ferland's much smaller contract wasn't. It's important (being insured) given his very real injury history (and the odd habit of players getting injured, even "iron-men" once they get to Vancouver). Especially since Ferland *HAD* to play a very physical style (which leads you more suspectible to injuries) to be effective.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

There is zero way to keep Marky amd frankly keeping Demko was the better way to spend the cap funds

signing ferland was low risk and didn’t hurt us with the cap given the injuries

Can’t disagree with the others

My opinion on keeping Marky is probably a bit out there so I'll give you that.

Ferlands contract was not insured because of how bad his health was, that money could have been spent on a myriad of things.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Boudreau himself says a new coach bounce is temporary.

He seemed pretty honest in his post-game conference that there were ample mistakes to work on but that they are fixable. He just wants effort right now. The other stuff will sort itself out. Some players will rise to the challenge and others will continue their fall out of the NHL. But players will be given chances.

It's frightening how refreshing basic hockey presser 101 sounds after years of 'DEY GOT A GOOD TEAM OVER THURR' and Benning's verbal diarrhea.

 

[Hit the post]

My opinion on keeping Marky is probably a bit out there so I'll give you that.

Another thing to consider is that we're likely spending 3.5+ million in cap space on a backup goalie this season & next (Halak's performance bonuses are pretty easy to hit & the buyout penality for Holtby).

 

[Balls Mahoney]

I might actually starting watching Canucks games again... I feel a great curse has been lifted.

 

[Egghead1999]

Obvious differences;

Energy; New coach bump at full effect.

The PK forecheck caused Kings problems; This was non existent under Green and Baum.

Players getting ice time; Bruce had no favourites going in, nobody in the dog house.

Implementing new systems will take weeks.

I may add the "aggressive" in forecheck and the buck support/puck battle too. It was like watching an old Wild game.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

My opinion on keeping Marky is probably a bit out there so I'll give you that.

Ferlands contract was not insured because of how bad his health was, that money could have been spent on a myriad of things.

Totally agree. Walking away from marky was the right choice, we had Demko ready to take over (for cheaper at that time). The biggest issue from that whole situation is that JB/crew wasted so much time trying to resign markstrom and as a result “ran out of time” (ie ignored everyone else who he should’ve been trying to resign in tanev/toffoli).

This brings back bad memories! Happy to move on from the sh** show that was the past 8yrs!

 

[Scorvat]

honestly if we absolutely had to sacrifice 25 games for a regime change I kinda take that deal

in ideal circumstances we wouldn't have a dogshit regime up until game 25 but I guess that's literally what had to take place for things to change, unfortunately

it's good.

It will be a reminder and punishment for running a terrible organization. Aquaman gets no playoff revenue this year and if this gets turned around, he will have eat blame in humiliating fashion, while we can laugh