Brighter Future: Edmonton or Toronto?

[McAsuno]

At least we agree on something.

Whatever you say, bud

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Edmonton

 

[McDavyCrockett]

I'll take the team with the best player in the NHL + a top-10 forward on top + a Vezina-caliber goalie for 6000, Alex.

Also, the team that has 6 NHL defenseman instead of 4.

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

Edmonton, it's not even close really

 

[biotk]

Why would he need to make excuses McDavid has more even strength Points then Matthews has points. He is about to win the Art Ross why do you think McDavid would need any excuses . Hyman seems to be the excuse for Matthews it's to bad Matthews can not make players around him better if that's the case it's what generational players do

McDavid hasn't made everyone around him better. Take Lucic for instance. He has played about half of his ES minutes with McDavid is on pace for his worst ES point totals of his career. Last year with LA he had 47 ES points in 81 games. This year he has 22 ES points in 78 games (McDavid has only factored in on 8 of them). Even as a rookie in '08 he had 24 ES points in 77 games, and in the shortened '13 season he managed 25 ES points in 46 games. Guess McDavid isn't generational afterall.

 

[JarvisFunk]

Soon we'll be calling them McSecondaries. Truly phenomenal.

I'd rather call them McArtRoss/Hart/Lindsay helpers.

 

[Ninety7]

McDavid hasn't made everyone around him better. Take Lucic for instance. He has played about half of his ES minutes with McDavid is on pace for his worst ES point totals of his career. Last year with LA he had 47 ES points in 81 games. This year he has 22 ES points in 78 games (McDavid has only factored in on 8 of them). Even as a rookie in '08 he had 24 ES points in 77 games, and in the shortened '13 season he managed 25 ES points in 46 games. Guess McDavid isn't generational afterall.

Take a look at maroon. Take a look at Yakupov. Take a look at Benoit pouliot.

and then come back.

 

[JarvisFunk]

McDavid hasn't made everyone around him better. Take Lucic for instance. He has played about half of his ES minutes with McDavid is on pace for his worst ES point totals of his career. Last year with LA he had 47 ES points in 81 games. This year he has 22 ES points in 78 games (McDavid has only factored in on 8 of them). Even as a rookie in '08 he had 24 ES points in 77 games, and in the shortened '13 season he managed 25 ES points in 46 games. Guess McDavid isn't generational afterall.

If we we're Leafs fans we could just complain about how awful Lucic is basically Hyman and if Connor was playing with someone else the first 25 games who could finish on his generated opportunities just imagine how many more points he'd have.

 

[Eyedea]

I'd rather call them McArtRoss/Hart/Lindsay helpers.

That's fine, though not as good as Austanley's.

 

[biotk]

I, like many analysts, hockey fans, have annointed McDavid generational.

Don't care. More players have been anointed generational than could possibly be generational. I considered McDavid a generational prospect (and even that using a pretty loose definition) but much time will need to pass before he will be considered a generational player.

 

[Asiantuntija]

I don't know but Kadri is a real *****boy. Calls Ristolainen ***** and soon as Risto comes towards him, he runs away and his teammates start to defend him. If you say think like that answer to your shout. He thinks he is some topguy, but Risto will drop him under 5 seconds.

 

[Ninety7]

Don't care. More players have been anointed generational than could possibly be generational. I considered McDavid a generational prospect (and even that using a pretty loose definition) but much time will need to pass before he will be considered a generational player.

He's gonna win the art Ross, should win the hart, and has a good chance at the Lindsay. All in his second season at 20. 20. TWENTY. Who's the last guy to do that?

 

[biotk]

Take a look at maroon. Take a look at Yakupov. Take a look at Benoit pouliot.

and then come back.

Why? The claim was made that a generational player would make every player around them better and that is clearly not the case with Lucic.

 

[Canovin]

That's fine, though not as good as Austanley's.

Is that a cup you win in Austria? That's right. Matthews was playing oversea

 

[biotk]

He's gonna win the art Ross, should win the hart, and has a good chance at the Lindsay. All in his second season at 20. 20. TWENTY. Who's the last guy to do that?

Crosby did it as a D+2. (although he was only 19).

 

[TheNumber4]

Don't care. More players have been anointed generational than could possibly be generational. I considered McDavid a generational prospect (and even that using a pretty loose definition) but much time will need to pass before he will be considered a generational player.

Okay be super duper safe with your opinion. God knows how badly your life would be affected if you stepped up with the rest of the hockey community and annointed a generational prospect a generational talent as he wins the Art Ross, and probably Hart and Lyndsey in his 2nd season. Better be careful not to "jump the gun" you might lose credibility like Friedman, McKenzie, and Dreger who have risked everything to call him generational.

 

[Ninety7]

Crosby did it as a D+2. (although he was only 19).

Thanks for proving my point

 

[Soundwave]

They're both very good young core groups, I think given a choice to start from scratch with one, more NHL GMs would choose the Oilers.

Oilers are a bigger, tougher, squad with a better d-corps on top of having McDavid and Draisaitl and Talbot. Nugent Hopkins and Eberle have had poor seasons this year though so that kinda skews things, but both have shown they can score 50+ points in this league and there's still Puljujarvi to factor in to the future.

 

[VainGretzky]

McDavid hasn't made everyone around him better. Take Lucic for instance. He has played about half of his ES minutes with McDavid is on pace for his worst ES point totals of his career. Last year with LA he had 47 ES points in 81 games. This year he has 22 ES points in 78 games (McDavid has only factored in on 8 of them). Even as a rookie in '08 he had 24 ES points in 77 games, and in the shortened '13 season he managed 25 ES points in 46 games. Guess McDavid isn't generational afterall.

Yea Lucic has played with Nuge most of the season Thx for showing you know nothing of the Oilers

 

[Soundwave]

Crosby did it as a D+2. (although he was only 19).

Gretzky and Crosby are the only 19/20 year old (2nd year NHL) players to ever win an Art Ross trophy, so if McDavid does it, he will be only the third in the history of the NHL to do it at that age and in the 2nd season in the league. Though technically that was Gretzky's third pro season.

 

[biotk]

Thanks for proving my point

Your welcome. Matthews is 2nd in league in goals as a D+1 teenager. When was the last time a D+1 teenager has finished in the top two in goals?

 

[Psyfer]

I would say the only thing lacking for Mcdavid at this point is his shot, if he can fix that he will be scoring 40+ per season easily so many chances he should be scoring on, he has potential to be better then Crosby but wouldn't call him generational just yet.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

I don't know but Kadri is a real *****boy. Calls Ristolainen ***** and soon as Risto comes towards him, he runs away and his teammates start to defend him. If you say think like that answer to your shout. He thinks he is some topguy, but Risto will drop him under 5 seconds.

I've read this several times and still don't know what it means.

 

[biotk]

Yea Lucic has played with Nuge most of the season Thx for showing you know nothing of the Oilers

Lucic has played 45% of his 5v5 minutes with McDavid and 37% of his 5V5 minutes with Nuge. Thanks for playing.

 

[Soundwave]

Lucic has played 45% of his 5v5 minutes with McDavid and 37% of his 5V5 minutes with Nuge. Thanks for playing.

Lucic was doing OK with McDavid, it was when Eberle was inserted onto that line that it performed like crap.

Both Lucic and Eberle are trying way too hard with McDavid. Lucic has just relaxed and now the points are coming for him of late, Eberle decided to do something stupid this summer (worked all summer with a "shooting coach" to change his shot to capitalize on McDavid feeds, but it actually ended up screwing up his shot and now his confidence is in the toilet).