Brighter Future: Edmonton or Toronto?

[Ninety7]

Your welcome. Matthews is 2nd in league in goals as a D+1 teenager. When was the last time a D+1 teenager has finished in the top two in goals?

Yeah because potentially winning 3 of the most prestigious trophies in the game holds almost the same value as being second in goal scoring.

 

[TheNumber4]

Lucic has played 45% of his 5v5 minutes with McDavid and 37% of his 5V5 minutes with Nuge. Thanks for playing.

I also thought that Lucic's time with Nuge had surpassed McDavids. Its not hard when you consider when Lucic was transferred to Nuge's line. Which was around mid-season. Also keep in mind first line minutes vs second line minutes. Which essentially proves that VainGretzky was right in his assessment, and you are wrong.

 

[VainGretzky]

Lucic has played 45% of his 5v5 minutes with McDavid and 37% of his 5V5 minutes with Nuge. Thanks for playing.

I want to see proof of this

 

[Ninety7]

I want to see proof of this

I'd like to see proof of this as well.

 

[biotk]

I also thought that Lucic's time with Nuge had surpassed McDavids. Its not hard when you consider when Lucic was transferred to Nuge's line. Which was around mid-season. Also keep in mind first line minutes vs second line minutes. Which essentially proves that VainGretzky was right in his assessment, and you are wrong.

Good point. Fewer minutes is actually more minutes because.....reasons.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yeah because potentially winning 3 of the most prestigious trophies in the game holds almost the same value as being second in goal scoring.

Hey let's not discount Matthews. We must remember he's also just broke into the top 20 in league scoring. Holyyyyy! When is the NHL going to smarten up and start awarding awards for that monumental feet. They can call it the "Valeri Bure" award for that one time he accomplished that insane hockey feet!

 

[biotk]

I want to see proof of this

1) Go to a site like http://www.corsica.hockey/combos/

2) Type in the name "Lucic". Ensure that it is on 5v5 and that the TOI minimum is set to zero.

3) Total up the results.

4) Accept or reject that your biases when you watch the games are not inline with reality.

 

[biotk]

Yeah because potentially winning 3 of the most prestigious trophies in the game holds almost the same value as being second in goal scoring.

How many trophies did McDavid win during his rookie year?

 

[TheNumber4]

How many trophies did McDavid win during his rookie year?

How many season ending injuries did he have?

 

[Eyedea]

1) Go to a site like http://www.corsica.hockey/combos/

2) Type in the name "Lucic". Ensure that it is on 5v5 and that the TOI minimum is set to zero.

3) Total up the results.

4) Accept or reject that your biases when you watch the games are not inline with reality.

I don't know the accuracy but Dobber hockey actually lists the % on the player profiles. Combination of McDavid/Lucic at even strength = 49%, Nuge/Lucic at 39%.

 

[Soundwave]

Winning the Art Ross + Hart Trophy in your second season at age 19/20 if it happens is a generational player.

There's only two other players who have done that in the 100 year history of the NHL, one of them is Gretzky, the other is Crosby.

And yes IMO Crosby is generational as well, his career has just been short changed by unfortunate injury problems. Probably Pittsburgh should have 3 or 4 Cups too if not for those injuries.

 

[TheNumber4]

1) Go to a site like http://www.corsica.hockey/combos/

2) Type in the name "Lucic". Ensure that it is on 5v5 and that the TOI minimum is set to zero.

3) Total up the results.

4) Accept or reject that your biases when you watch the games are not inline with reality.

Why bother. Your argument makes no sense anyways. Why should we use a declining Lucic to prove that McDavid makes players around him better. Everyone and their mom knows this to be true. Maroon and Draisaitl's career years show this to be true. The Oilers fighting for division lead shows this to be true.

 

[VainGretzky]

I'd like to see proof of this as well.

I remember Maroon being put on Mcdavids wing in the 15th game of the season with Eberle still on RW and Maroon scoring 2 goals. Than Lucic was tried again for a few games than it was back to Maroon.pretty much till now except a few shifts Tmac had blender going and I have watched every game .

 

[biotk]

How many season ending injuries did he have?

He played that last 32 games of the season, so none.

 

[TheNumber4]

He played that last 32 games of the season, so none.

So you expected him to win trophies with 45 GP?

 

[biotk]

Why bother. Your argument makes no sense anyways. Why should we use a declining Lucic to prove that McDavid makes players around him better. Everyone and their mom knows this to be true. Maroon and Draisaitl's career years show this to be true. The Oilers fighting for division lead shows this to be true.

The argument was that McDavid makes everyone around him better, while Matthews has not made Hyman better. This argument fails as McDavid has not make Lucic better. As Lucic is having a terrible season, perhaps the worst of his career, which includes the time he spent with McDavid.

The argument that a generational player makes everyone around him better was not an argument I made.

 

[VainGretzky]

I don't know the accuracy but Dobber hockey actually lists the % on the player profiles. Combination of McDavid/Lucic at even strength = 49%, Nuge/Lucic at 39%.

Well Corsica shows McDavid with 500 min with Maroon and 229 min with Lucic 5/5 so where in the hell does he get 45% with McDavid and 37 % with Nuge He has played more min with Nuge then McDavid and Maroon has played more then double the 5/5 min as Lucic with McDavid . I knew I smelled BS ty for playing.

 

[Eyedea]

Winning the Art Ross + Hart Trophy in your second season at age 19/20 if it happens is a generational player.

There's only two other players who have done that in the 100 year history of the NHL, one of them is Gretzky, the other is Crosby.

And yes IMO Crosby is generational as well, his career has just been short changed by unfortunate injury problems. Probably Pittsburgh should have 3 or 4 Cups too if not for those injuries.

Generational talent, of course. But the term generational player should be reserved for those that have maintained it over a long period of time.

 

[biotk]

So you expected him to win trophies with 45 GP?

You asked how many season ending injuries he had. Without the injury the only trophy he would have won was (probably) the Calder.

 

[Eyedea]

Well Corsica shows McDavid with 500 min with Maroon and 229 min with Lucic 5/5 so where in the hell does he get 45% with McDavid and 37 % with Nuge He has played more min with Nuge then McDavid and Maroon has played more then double the 5/5 min as Lucic with McDavid . I knew I smelled BS ty for playing.

FWIW Dobber also lists Maroon/McDavid at 72%

 

[Soundwave]

Generational talent, of course. But the term generational player should be reserved for those that have maintained it over a long period of time.

Seems kinda like splitting hairs at this point. If you are 19/20 and you're winning the freaking Art Ross and Hart trophy against a Sidney Crosby who's still in his 20s no less ... you are a player of a caliber that this league has seen maybe 3-4 times total in its entire history.

 

[TheNumber4]

Well Corsica shows McDavid with 500 min with Maroon and 229 min with Lucic 5/5 so where in the hell does he get 45% with McDavid and 37 % with Nuge He has played more min with Nuge then McDavid and Maroon has played more then double the 5/5 min as Lucic with McDavid . I knew I smelled BS ty for playing.

Good god. His argument is flimsy at best even when relying on the stats he provided. Now we find out he just LIED his way into having an argument .

Cmon Leafs fans this is starting to get sad.

 

[Soundwave]

I will also say in this comparison I think the Oilers D-Corps is being underrated.

The Oilers goals against is 7th overall in the league, so it's easily in the upper 1/3 of the entire NHL.

And it's not Talbot solely, the Oilers had Talbot last year and they finished near the bottom of the league for GA.

The D is making the difference.

 

[TheNumber4]

You asked how many season ending injuries he had. Without the injury the only trophy he would have won was (probably) the Calder.

And he would have still been in top 4 in league scoring. As a ROOKIE.

Something Matthews isn't even CLOSE to.

 

[VainGretzky]

FWIW Dobber also lists Maroon/McDavid at 72%

Theses arguments are stupid anyways Matthews makes his linemates better so does McDavid and the funny thing is is I think Marner is the most talented Leaf and the one I like to watch the most.