Oh I know full well I was ridiculing your comment, being nothing more than anti southern market rambling, with a bunch of meaningless filler like a college student trying to reach a word count on his essay.
And you still failed to explain HOW the celebration ridicules the other team, being that they're in the dressing room after the game and aren't involved in any way. Let alone trying to make a connection to running up the score, which directly involves the other team while the game is still ongoing. There's zero common ground between the two, but nice straw man.
There's never been a single shread of actual evidence of the team moving, just "speculation" from people like you who hate the fact a team exists in Carolina. As far as attendance goes, tell me all about "real markets" like Pittsburgh, Chicago, etc and how their attendance definitely didn't drop off badly through years of losing hockey like the Canes have endured. Or how Ottawa isn't struggling with a terrible, cheap owner who blames the fans, like the Canes also endured. No, there must be specific problems with Carolina as a market then. It's not like Lemieux had to step up to buy part of a "true" team to keep it going, and that the NHL still had to step in to stop them from getting moved.
If the "entertainment is the sport" as you say, then why is there music between whistles? Or t shirt cannons, or shows in the intermission, or noise meters? I'm sure you're against all of those as well, since the game being played should be the only thing to matter. Everyone should sit in silence for 2.5 hours to take in the majesty of sport. Sure
Your anti southern bias is painfully obvious.
I was born in Toronto but I live in Northern Virginia. My inlaws live in Richmond. We vacation every summer in North Carolina and have done so for over 20 years. My wife's grandparents lived in South Carolina and her cousins and aunts and uncles live in Texas.
I didn't criticise L.A. or Tampa or Dallas or Arizona or the Panthers organization. I criticised YOUR club. One southern club out of six? That doesn't exactly accommodate necessary conditions for bias now does it? It accommodates the
potential for one against Carolina, but in full declaration, I don't have a bias against clubs located in the Carolinas. Armed with new information, one wonders if you're intellectually mature enough to recant your accusation?
Your need for there to be a southern bias to justify your unjustifiable criticism against critics of your club dancing after wins to entertain the crowd, is the only element in the exchange that's demonstrably obvious. Or would you like me to return in kind an unfounded bias that charges you with prejudice against any opinion provided from fans of The Toronto Maple Leafs?
And you still failed to explain HOW the celebration ridicules the other team, being that they're in the dressing room after the game and aren't involved in any way.
I didn't fail to explain how the celebration ridicules the other team. I provided an analogy of running up the score and celebrating in front of the opposition's bench and used words like "artificial" and "contrived", "reciprocity" and "tradition". You simply dislike the explanation provided. That's fine. I dislike the notion that an NHL club dances after it wins or performs their seconds lasting interpretation of scenes from Marvel vehicles and that there are adults who see the objective necessity in doing so. I can empathize with it with an understanding that kids love going to shows like Frozen On Ice and that there's joy to be found in audience participation, not unlike that found in European markets. But that doesn't change my honest, informed, traditionalist opinion, that it trivializes the game.
There's zero common ground between the two, but nice straw man.
In the heat of the moment, I have no doubt that Evgeni Kuzneztov doesn't mean his flying eagle celebration to mock the opposition. He's just celebrating out of sheer joy in a way he finds pleasing. For anyone that's played competitive hockey, there are sacrosanct, typically unspoken, norms of game play that are held in contempt and regarded as being provocative. Running up the score and celebrating it is perfectly within the rules in the game, it just tends to be met with scorn and usually retribution of one kind or another, either in the same game or in the next game.
That Kuzneztov or another player with similar habits intends to undermine, mock another club isn't the issue. It's simply proper sportsmanship. Sportsmanship, like manners, isn't something enforceable, it has to be chosen for it's own good.
So let's be clear, I don't regard intent as the primary mover from the Carolina side. That said, you know what a straw man actually entails, don't you?
I ask because you apparently don't know what a horse laugh is otherwise you wouldn't charge a member with one fallacy while committing another.
If the "entertainment is the sport" as you say, then why is there music between whistles? Or t shirt cannons, or shows in the intermission, or noise meters? I'm sure you're against all of those as well, since the game being played should be the only thing to matter. Everyone should sit in silence for 2.5 hours to take in the majesty of sport. Sure
Well it's not
if the entertainment is the sport, it
is the entertainment because the primary utility of said entertainment IS the sport of hockey and not the momentary Dancing With The Canes that schleps across the ice post-victory. If there's no sport being played, then you'd argue attendance would be there for the superficial activities alone?
Music, shirt cannons, etc...They're superficial elements directed at the fans by the off-ice faction of the organization between stops and starts of play. Between starts and stops of the thing you've come to watch. There's a reason why the play of the game isn't saturated with circus acts.
You're only sure I'm against one thing or another if you value your preferred narrative and necessary delusions over my provided statements. That preference doesn't dismantle my opinion, or others' who hold that a club, that has to compete, against other clubs, demonstrate a lack of sportsmanship by celebrating in a contrived way.
Contrived, you know, like deforming another person's opinion to the point that it no longer considers it's actual argument but requires abstraction i.e. "Everyone should sit in silence for 2.5 hours to take in the majesty of the sport." I didn't say or imply that my preference is silence. By all means, back your claim up by quoting me to that effect.
Pittsburgh, Chicago, Ottawa...Another time.
And yes...Hockey is majestic. It absolutely is. A tough lift for fans of Pantomime On Ice to get, apparently.