Brent Sopel hates the Hurricanes' home win celebrations

[Jerkob Slavin]

If he gets that upset over another's happiness, I'd say no.

We need a hug button because that’s what is needed here.

 

[HabsTown]

I already supported Canes fans 100%... it's cool thing to do. Cherry hates it? I support the celebrations at 500%.

New celebration ideas :

- Mimic Cherry during an interview, have all the players being straight like soldiers then leave
- Have all the players aligned to form a ''jerks'' word readable from above
- Have it a la Kenny Powers : make a jerking gesture. Ok, this ones too much

 

[MrThomas]

I agree 100% with him. Especially with an organization that doesn't win.

Hmm.

Winning and getting more fans.

Aho is bringing the team by himself to the playoffs.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I already supported Canes fans 100%... it's cool thing to do. Cherry hates it? I support the celebrations at 500%.

New celebration ideas :

- Mimic Cherry during an interview, have all the players being straight like soldiers then leave
- Have all the players aligned to form a ''jerks'' word readable from above
- Have it a la Kenny Powers : make a jerking gesture. Ok, this ones too much

See this is when people could have an actual gripe about this. The reason they’re not actually “jerks” is because the players aren’t trolling anyone. They’re just having fun with their fans and hurting no one.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Well, at the very least, it's gotten to the point where the coach and the players are addressing it:

Canes just want to have fun. Team responds to Don Cherry’s ‘bunch of jerks’ comment.

TLDR: Fans enjoy it, players enjoy it, if they didn't, it would stop.

 

[SabresSharks]

Much ado about nothing.

 

[CanadianPensFan1]

Hot take thread that wasn't just done last week. *golf clap*

Who cares? If the kids/fans like it, have at er. If someone doesn't like it, leave. I fail to see why this keeps being a story.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Hot take thread that wasn't just done last week. *golf clap*

Who cares? If the kids/fans like it, have at er. If someone doesn't like it, leave. I fail to see why this keeps being a story.

Because the Canes keep winning, meaning they keep doing the celebrations, which apparently means more people who they clearly aren't marketed for feel the need to give their opinion about them.

 

[Yeti of the Flow]

Hot take thread that wasn't just done last week. *golf clap*

Who cares? If the kids/fans like it, have at er. If someone doesn't like it, leave. I fail to see why this keeps being a story.

"Who cares if ___ like it" isn't a great stance. It is, again, dismissing valid criticism. People not the target of something are allowed to think it sucks or is dumb. For instance, those who play video games that may not be targeted by horrible games such as Fortnite absolutely can and should complain about what it does to the overall atmosphere of video games.

Disagreeing and dismissing aren't the same.

EDIT - Another example from sports. Should I not be allowed to criticize the military bombardment every athletic event is subject to because I'm not the target of the ceremony? While this celebration isn't causing damage the same way the nonsense military show does, it is absolutely okay for those who see it as a further degradation of the sport into a pageant to complain about.

 

[idontusethisanymore]

Here is Darren Haydar completely owning a guy complaining about the Hurricanes' win celebrations

 

[SaskCanesFan]

Sounds like you're describing a fairweather market with a very small but loyal base, would that be accurate to say?

In the same way that Pittsburgh or Chicago are "fairweather" for attendance dropping when the teams were terrible, or Sens fans are for not wanting to support a cheap owner? Yeah I think that's fair.

 

[ITM]

Here is Darren Haydar completely owning a guy complaining about the Hurricanes' win celebrations

The term "owning' has completely lost it's meaning. Short hand for "I like this opinion. It's better than the one I don't like." Merit or reasoning has nothing to do with Haydar's exchange with a couple of people on the subject.

Take the comparison between North American hockey culture/fans and European hockey culture/fans. He castigates North American hockey culture and celebrates an element of European hockey culture. And he does so without qualifying that different sporting cultures arise from...different cultures. Trying to emulate European football crowds has rarely been successful. And when it approaches that success, it's still missing the cultural glue that distinguishes a football crowd from Liverpool with a football crowd in DC.

For a European market, Haydar's right. It's exciting to see fan participation at the prompting of the club they support. It looks odd in North America. It looks odd in the way someone from Jamaica might look bowing in Japan. The Japanese are surgically precise about any number of customs, and without constant practice and immersion in them, foreigners have a mighty tough time selling Japanese authenticity to the Japanese.

What Don Cherry said is entirely in line with hockey culture as it's always been defined in Canada. There's an honour code. And it carries over game to game and sometimes from season to season. Ridicule and grandstanding, used to have consequences.

Haydar, or anyone else saying "Get over it." is missing the point. He can't on one hand talk about the appeal of post-game celebrations as being entertaining and community building and something in line with changing times and on the other ignore the fact that the gimmick isn't necessary in Toronto, Detroit, Chicago or Boston or Nashville. It's necessary - as he notes - in order to foster a sense of community. He's not paying attention to the finer point. It hasn't caught on in any other market except the one that's dying a slow death. Moreover, he actual acknowledges that it (the celebration post-victory) isn't traditional. That's relevant because his germane response to that is, "So what.".

Well the so what exception is the nature of the game. It's always been reciprocal. It's always been retributive. Which is precisely what Andre Deveaux implies in his criticism. In "entertaining" the Canes' fanbase, there is an inherent element of demonstrating that the win was effortless. That the opponent, similarly, merely entertainment. All of that isn't simply non-traditional against the backdrop of North American professional hockey, it's bordering on the absurd.

Consider that Darren Haydar refers to himself in the collective of NHLers as being entertainers. He of 23 games and 8 points. Read the tone of his reply to Deveaux. It's dismissive and arrogant. Deveaux played 31 games incidentally.

Don Cherry won the Adams and is as quintessential a hockey man as the game has ever had. The only thing Haydar is owning, is a seat beside Rob Schremp on this week's departing ship of irrelevant former NHLers who have too much confidence and about as much sense online as their careers on ice demonstrated.

 

[Roboturner913]

All Don Cherry does is ridicule people and grandstand.

Where are the consequences for him then?

 

[dkd]

I love the celebration, but it's super cringy when it's forced, like the case with the Hurricanes.
In European football (soccer) it comes naturally. You can see the captain getting subbed off and initiate it while walking off the field. That's natural.

 

[Anomie2029]

The term "owning' has completely lost it's meaning. Short hand for "I like this opinion. It's better than the one I don't like." Merit or reasoning has nothing to do with Haydar's exchange with a couple of people on the subject.

Take the comparison between North American hockey culture/fans and European hockey culture/fans. He castigates North American hockey culture and celebrates an element of European hockey culture. And he does so without qualifying that different sporting cultures arise from...different cultures. Trying to emulate European football crowds has rarely been successful. And when it approaches that success, it's still missing the cultural glue that distinguishes a football crowd from Liverpool with a football crowd in DC.

For a European market, Haydar's right. It's exciting to see fan participation at the prompting of the club they support. It looks odd in North America. It looks odd in the way someone from Jamaica might look bowing in Japan. The Japanese are surgically precise about any number of customs, and without constant practice and immersion in them, foreigners have a mighty tough time selling Japanese authenticity to the Japanese.

What Don Cherry said is entirely in line with hockey culture as it's always been defined in Canada. There's an honour code. And it carries over game to game and sometimes from season to season. Ridicule and grandstanding, used to have consequences.

Haydar, or anyone else saying "Get over it." is missing the point. He can't on one hand talk about the appeal of post-game celebrations as being entertaining and community building and something in line with changing times and on the other ignore the fact that the gimmick isn't necessary in Toronto, Detroit, Chicago or Boston or Nashville. It's necessary - as he notes - in order to foster a sense of community. He's not paying attention to the finer point. It hasn't caught on in any other market except the one that's dying a slow death. Moreover, he actual acknowledges that it (the celebration post-victory) isn't traditional. That's relevant because his germane response to that is, "So what.".

Well the so what exception is the nature of the game. It's always been reciprocal. It's always been retributive. Which is precisely what Andre Deveaux implies in his criticism. In "entertaining" the Canes' fanbase, there is an inherent element of demonstrating that the win was effortless. That the opponent, similarly, merely entertainment. All of that isn't simply non-traditional against the backdrop of North American professional hockey, it's bordering on the absurd.

Consider that Darren Haydar refers to himself in the collective of NHLers as being entertainers. He of 23 games and 8 points. Read the tone of his reply to Deveaux. It's dismissive and arrogant. Deveaux played 31 games incidentally.

Don Cherry won the Adams and is as quintessential a hockey man as the game has ever had. The only thing Haydar is owning, is a seat beside Rob Schremp on this week's departing ship of irrelevant former NHLers who have too much confidence and about as much sense online as their careers on ice demonstrated.

Where is the ridicule and grandstanding? This occurs every home win after the visiting team has left the ice. No team should be feeling ridiculed because it is completely detached from who they are playing. Ridiculing would be Elias Lindholm's reaction after winning in Carolina. Then to go on and suggest that there is an inherent element of demonstrating that the win was effortless? I think you are looking for things that simply do not exist. If opposition teams are feeling that way - it's their problem. The Canes shouldn't have to worry about someone over-reacting to a team celebration.

To claim that is hasn't caught on in any other market except the one that's dying a slow death is a little bit confusing. What would be the motivation for a team that is already successful in terms of marketing? Why would they try a new strategy to gain new fans if they already have a strong market? The Carolina Hurricanes are averaging higher crowds since the 2013-14 season, so I dare say that it is helping engage their market. The labelling as 'juvenile' is even better, because it is meant to be silly and fun to engage the younger audience. As a take away you will see crowds continue to increase as the young audience becomes die hard fans.

Sport is entertainment. The whole purpose is to entertain fans. Athletes are entertainers. He played in the NHL. He is a former NHL player. He is a former entertainer. It's not rocket science.

The dismissive attitude should be used. To critique a team using a new way to attract attention and engage with their fans because "it's not hockey culture" is foolish. Culture is a fluid and dynamic concept that is constantly evolving and changing. To demand that it say static is futile and simply a waste of time.

 

[SaskCanesFan]

What Don Cherry said is entirely in line with hockey culture as it's always been defined in Canada. There's an honour code. And it carries over game to game and sometimes from season to season. Ridicule and grandstanding, used to have consequences.

Haydar, or anyone else saying "Get over it." is missing the point. He can't on one hand talk about the appeal of post-game celebrations as being entertaining and community building and something in line with changing times and on the other ignore the fact that the gimmick isn't necessary in Toronto, Detroit, Chicago or Boston or Nashville. It's necessary - as he notes - in order to foster a sense of community. He's not paying attention to the finer point. It hasn't caught on in any other market except the one that's dying a slow death. Moreover, he actual acknowledges that it (the celebration post-victory) isn't traditional. That's relevant because his germane response to that is, "So what.".

Well the so what exception is the nature of the game. It's always been reciprocal. It's always been retributive. Which is precisely what Andre Deveaux implies in his criticism. In "entertaining" the Canes' fanbase, there is an inherent element of demonstrating that the win was effortless. That the opponent, similarly, merely entertainment. All of that isn't simply non-traditional against the backdrop of North American professional hockey, it's bordering on the absurd.

OK let's try going through this ridiculous word soup in order:

1) Where is the ridicule in the Canes celebration? The other team is off the i ice, not referenced in any way, and the connection is strictly between players and fans. Who are they ridiculing and how?

2) What slowly dying market do you refer to? Surely not the one where attendance, fan interaction and publicity are all increasing, in conjunction with a new owner and a young team on the rise.

3) How in the world does celebrating imply a win was effortless? The fact every player takes turns doing laps around the ice doesn't mean that the Stanley Cup was an easy win. Teams enjoy/celebrate winning all the time, whether it be in the dressing room, at a bar, etc. All the Canes do is find an extra way to involve fans, which is far from a bad thing.

 

[ottawa]

Here is Darren Haydar completely owning a guy complaining about the Hurricanes' win celebrations

How much did he purchase him for?

Kids and their lingo

 

[Honeycutt]

The term "owning' has completely lost it's meaning. Short hand for "I like this opinion. It's better than the one I don't like." Merit or reasoning has nothing to do with Haydar's exchange with a couple of people on the subject.

Take the comparison between North American hockey culture/fans and European hockey culture/fans. He castigates North American hockey culture and celebrates an element of European hockey culture. And he does so without qualifying that different sporting cultures arise from...different cultures. Trying to emulate European football crowds has rarely been successful. And when it approaches that success, it's still missing the cultural glue that distinguishes a football crowd from Liverpool with a football crowd in DC.

For a European market, Haydar's right. It's exciting to see fan participation at the prompting of the club they support. It looks odd in North America. It looks odd in the way someone from Jamaica might look bowing in Japan. The Japanese are surgically precise about any number of customs, and without constant practice and immersion in them, foreigners have a mighty tough time selling Japanese authenticity to the Japanese.

What Don Cherry said is entirely in line with hockey culture as it's always been defined in Canada. There's an honour code. And it carries over game to game and sometimes from season to season. Ridicule and grandstanding, used to have consequences.

Haydar, or anyone else saying "Get over it." is missing the point. He can't on one hand talk about the appeal of post-game celebrations as being entertaining and community building and something in line with changing times and on the other ignore the fact that the gimmick isn't necessary in Toronto, Detroit, Chicago or Boston or Nashville. It's necessary - as he notes - in order to foster a sense of community. He's not paying attention to the finer point. It hasn't caught on in any other market except the one that's dying a slow death. Moreover, he actual acknowledges that it (the celebration post-victory) isn't traditional. That's relevant because his germane response to that is, "So what.".

Well the so what exception is the nature of the game. It's always been reciprocal. It's always been retributive. Which is precisely what Andre Deveaux implies in his criticism. In "entertaining" the Canes' fanbase, there is an inherent element of demonstrating that the win was effortless. That the opponent, similarly, merely entertainment. All of that isn't simply non-traditional against the backdrop of North American professional hockey, it's bordering on the absurd.

Consider that Darren Haydar refers to himself in the collective of NHLers as being entertainers. He of 23 games and 8 points. Read the tone of his reply to Deveaux. It's dismissive and arrogant. Deveaux played 31 games incidentally.

Don Cherry won the Adams and is as quintessential a hockey man as the game has ever had. The only thing Haydar is owning, is a seat beside Rob Schremp on this week's departing ship of irrelevant former NHLers who have too much confidence and about as much sense online as their careers on ice demonstrated.

Telegram from 1900s.. idiot fans throw hats on the ice to celebrate three goals by one player in a game STOP disrespectful to hockey as whole STOP commissioner considering shutting the league down due to embarrassment STOP hockey norms broken forever STOP Ohhh the Humanity.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

I agree 100% with him. Especially with an organization that doesn't win.

They have more Cup wins than Leafs in last 50 years.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

I love the celebration, but it's super cringy when it's forced, like the case with the Hurricanes.
In European football (soccer) it comes naturally. You can see the captain getting subbed off and initiate it while walking off the field. That's natural.

This post makes no sense.

 

[BrendanGallagher11]

Its like when I walk in gym and I see these guys doing calisthenics in the corner. What happened to good hard power lifting ?? Wanna throw peanuts his way

These post games are a circus
Throw your peanuts

 

[BKIslandersFan]

Its like when I walk in gym and I see these guys doing calisthenics in the corner. What happened to good hard power lifting ?? Wanna throw peanuts his way

These post games are a circus
Throw your peanuts

NHL could use more circus tbh

 

[skiba77777]

people who have a problem with this are the reason why hockey isn't as popular as other sports in america. god forbid some players show personality and have fun.

 

[skiba77777]

How much did he purchase him for?

Kids and their lingo

if you aren't a kid, then your avatar is pretty creepy

 

[ottawa]

if you aren't a kid, then your avatar is pretty creepy

So is yours tbh