Brandon Saad...Rock Bottom?

[AmericanDream]

I was going to say "Basically just don't be such a dick in your posts." but figured it would get modded out. I mean, that's the just of it, though. Have some respect for people and their opinions, and they'll have the same for yours...

pretty simple stuff...

everyone of us have gotten into arguments or differences, but how we get our view/point across is why we can continue to respond back to each other...when everyone of your posts feels like a fart joke or trying for shock value (ignorant as f*** type posting), there is a reason why one is on so many ignore lists..

 

[AmericanDream]

You realize that Hossa was pretty much always on the third PK unit, right? Guess who led forwards in SH TOI/GP when the Hawks had the 3rd ranked PK in 2013? It wasn't Frolik. It wasn't Hossa. It wasn't Toews...

was it...Jimmy Hayes???

 

[BobbyJet]

Of course it has nothing to do with Kruger, who was the main C on those PKs. Your bias knows no end, Bobby.

I have never hidden the fact that I think Kruger is overrated. Always has been, except when he was traded to Canes who soon demoted him to where he belongs. In the AHL.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I have never hidden the fact that I think Kruger is overrated. Always has been, except when he was traded to Canes who soon demoted him to where he belongs. In the AHL.

The stats and the eye test say otherwise Bobby... Pay attention to the bolded columns.

						Cors				Fenw				PDO					Zone
Season	Age	Team	Lg	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	CF% rel	FF	FA	FF%	FF% rel	oiGF	oiSH%	oiGA	oiSV%	PDO	oZS%	dZS%
2010-11	20	CHI	NHL	7	77.0	71	64	52.6	-7.9	49	50	49.5	-8.6	0	0.0	4	89.5	89.5	50.0	50.0
2011-12	21	CHI	NHL	71	887.9	825	727	53.2	-0.1	643	537	54.5	1.4	40	8.5	29	92.6	101.1	44.4	55.6
2012-13	22	CHI	NHL	47	532.1	505	411	55.1	0.6	370	287	56.3	0.2	19	7.1	16	92.7	99.8	38.4	61.6
2013-14	23	CHI	NHL	81	902.9	773	724	51.6	-7.8	575	510	53.0	-6.4	34	7.7	29	92.1	99.8	20.9	79.1
2014-15	24	CHI	NHL	81	873.4	839	760	52.5	-1.8	606	549	52.5	-0.6	21	4.6	26	93.6	98.2	24.1	75.9
2015-16	25	CHI	NHL	41	453.5	399	426	48.4	-3.4	291	300	49.2	-0.7	10	4.7	15	93.4	98.1	18.7	81.3
2016-17	26	CHI	NHL	70	819.4	728	718	50.3	-0.2	542	478	53.1	3.7	33	8.1	25	92.7	100.8	29.0	71.0
2017-18	27	CAR	NHL	48	459.0	448	381	54.0	0.4	320	291	52.4	-0.5	11	4.8	16	92.0	96.7	44.8	55.2
2018-19	28	CHI	NHL	5	45.3	34	46	42.5	-13.0	27	30	47.4	-6.4	3	14.3	1	95.0	109.3	5.0	95.0
8 yrs		CHI	NHL	403	4591.4	4174	3876	51.9	-1.9	3103	2741	53.1	0.2	160	6.9	145	92.8	99.7	29.2	70.8
Career			NHL	451	5050.4	4622	4257	52.1	-1.7	3423	3032	53.0	0.2	171	6.7	161	92.7	99.4	30.2	69.8

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[AmericanDream]

The stats and the eye test say otherwise Bobby...

						Cors				Fenw				PDO					Zone
Season	Age	Team	Lg	GP	TOI	CF	CA	CF%	CF% rel	FF	FA	FF%	FF% rel	oiGF	oiSH%	oiGA	oiSV%	PDO	oZS%	dZS%
2010-11	20	CHI	NHL	7	77.0	71	64	52.6	-7.9	49	50	49.5	-8.6	0	0.0	4	89.5	89.5	50.0	50.0
2011-12	21	CHI	NHL	71	887.9	825	727	53.2	-0.1	643	537	54.5	1.4	40	8.5	29	92.6	101.1	44.4	55.6
2012-13	22	CHI	NHL	47	532.1	505	411	55.1	0.6	370	287	56.3	0.2	19	7.1	16	92.7	99.8	38.4	61.6
2013-14	23	CHI	NHL	81	902.9	773	724	51.6	-7.8	575	510	53.0	-6.4	34	7.7	29	92.1	99.8	20.9	79.1
2014-15	24	CHI	NHL	81	873.4	839	760	52.5	-1.8	606	549	52.5	-0.6	21	4.6	26	93.6	98.2	24.1	75.9
2015-16	25	CHI	NHL	41	453.5	399	426	48.4	-3.4	291	300	49.2	-0.7	10	4.7	15	93.4	98.1	18.7	81.3
2016-17	26	CHI	NHL	70	819.4	728	718	50.3	-0.2	542	478	53.1	3.7	33	8.1	25	92.7	100.8	29.0	71.0
2017-18	27	CAR	NHL	48	459.0	448	381	54.0	0.4	320	291	52.4	-0.5	11	4.8	16	92.0	96.7	44.8	55.2
2018-19	28	CHI	NHL	5	45.3	34	46	42.5	-13.0	27	30	47.4	-6.4	3	14.3	1	95.0	109.3	5.0	95.0
8 yrs		CHI	NHL	403	4591.4	4174	3876	51.9	-1.9	3103	2741	53.1	0.2	160	6.9	145	92.8	99.7	29.2	70.8
Career			NHL	451	5050.4	4622	4257	52.1	-1.7	3423	3032	53.0	0.2	171	6.7	161	92.7	99.4	30.2	69.8

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damn, Jimmy Hayes did good......wait a minute....just a second here......hold the phone.......something's not right......that's not Jayes...that Marcus f***ing Kruger!!!!

 

[ChiHawks10]

damn, Jimmy Hayes did good......wait a minute....just a second here......hold the phone.......something's not right......that's not Jayes...that Marcus ****ing Kruger!!!!

I mean... starting in 2013 he took 2/3 draws in the defensive zone, then 4/5, then 3/4, then 4/5, then 3/4. And posted the great possession stats. The guy was a defensive monster, and I'm not sure how anyone can say he wasn't. That many D zone starts, and his possession metrics always being that good? Says he's pretty damn good at defending, and flipping the ice. The eye test also lines up with that for all those years.

 

[AmericanDream]

I mean... starting in 2013 he took 2/3 draws in the defensive zone, then 4/5, then 3/4, then 4/5, then 3/4. And posted the great possession stats. The guy was a defensive monster, and I'm not sure how anyone can say he wasn't. That many D zone starts, and his possession metrics always being that good? Says he's pretty damn good at defending, and flipping the ice.

I make fun of Kruger for his pathetic offense, but yes he was great away from the puck

 

[BobbyJet]

I mean... starting in 2013 he took 2/3 draws in the defensive zone, then 4/5, then 3/4, then 4/5, then 3/4. And posted the great possession stats. The guy was a defensive monster, and I'm not sure how anyone can say he wasn't. That many D zone starts, and his possession metrics always being that good? Says he's pretty damn good at defending, and flipping the ice. The eye test also lines up with that for all those years.

And what does the eye test say about Frolik's PK effectiveness?

Except for Frolik, sometimes Hossa and occasionally Toews, the PK guys like Kruger just stood in the passive box waving their sticks and hoping for a mistake. Frolik forced those errors with aggression.

 

[migi]

Guys are you typing with our mr. Positive? Also known as mr. Superstar. Which Saad is. Or was. I dont know.

This ignore list wonderful, but it bothers me that you guys answer him and I basically know what he types even though can’t read it.

 

[Pez68]

Guys are you typing with our mr. Positive? Also known as mr. Superstar. Which Saad is. Or was. I dont know.

This ignore list wonderful, but it bothers me that you guys answer him and I basically know what he types even though can’t read it.

Agreed.

 

[Pez68]

And what does the eye test say about Frolik's PK effectiveness?

Except for Frolik, sometimes Hossa and occasionally Toews, the PK guys like Kruger just stood in the passive box waving their sticks and hoping for a mistake. Frolik forced those errors with aggression.

The entire PK used to be aggressive! Regardless of who was on the ice. The issue with the PK now is PHILOSOPHY, not personnel. Pressure the puck, make them move it, and keep it on the outside.... Having a good penalty kill is actually quite simple. Again, the PK problems are an extension of the defensive zone system problems... Too passive, too much collapsing.

 

[Blackhawks]

It has nothing to do with being "sensitive". Or your opinion on things. Plenty of people have differing opinions on here and have healthy debates about those opinions. Look at me and piteus the past hour for example. It's how you go about your posting that people have an issue with... the condescending, "I'm always right, you're always stupid" attitude you come off displaying much of the time. The "LOL you seriously think that?" types of responses. It's not being sensitive. It's called respect... and you show little to anyone, and get the same back in return, as a result. At least in my perspective. And I'm not alone in that thinking...

Ok that’s why I asked you please post a quote of me in this discussion of how I was condescending. If you can’t provide it then you just coming at me based on things that I have said in the past that you seem to be still hung up on and hence being sensitive. If I didn’t say anything personal or condescending this time where is all this coming from? You wanna be like my gf and bring things up that happened months ago then go ahead but I am done with this conversation lol.

 

[Blackhawks]

the fact that you think you are here to "DISCUSS" the mistakes or this team's failures in an intellectual context is the most laughable thing there is...just scroll past your own post history, horrible post after horrible post usually having LMAO in them...

I enjoyed this one from you like a week ago:
"Please define “serviceable”, this team will be lucky if they are not one of the 5 bottom teams in the league. Yay we got Kahun which has not proven anything until now yet we are praising Bowman for it? Even if he is a 50 point player(extremely unlikely) and this teams misses the playoffs he is still a horrible GM."

I posted how people are forgetting we also got Kahun in the off season so if you want to ***** about Manning, Ward and Kunitz, you need to acknowledge Kahun as a solid acquisition...but yeah, this is your reply, like 95% of your other posts....LMAO!!!

Well you see it’s hockey related, it’s my opinion, if you don’t like it don’t reply to it and get so angry over it lol. That post puts no one down and neither is it sarcastic or anything...

 

[Hawkaholic]

I have never hidden the fact that I think Kruger is overrated. Always has been, except when he was traded to Canes who soon demoted him to where he belongs. In the AHL.

I'm sure you'll just ignore that he was hurt for the majority of the year last year as well. Yes, he has been overrated by some, but he was an effective player that served a pretty decent role on a Stanley Cup team. To deny his importance on the PK is silly, but par for the course for you.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Ok that’s why I asked you please post a quote of me in this discussion of how I was condescending. If you can’t provide it then you just coming at me based on things that I have said in the past that you seem to be still hung up on and hence being sensitive. If I didn’t say anything personal or condescending this time where is all this coming from? You wanna be like my gf and bring things up that happened months ago then go ahead but I am done with this conversation lol.

Look at the last sentence in your post here as proof enough...
That's the type of shit I'm talking about.

No other explanation needed. I can post quotes, but I'm not going to go back through all your post history to find you stuff that you've said. You can read it and see what I'm talking about if you want. That's up to you. But AD covered kinda what I'm talking about. Your responses to people always seem to be something along the lines of "LMAO, Stan is a terrible GM!" when you respond to someone's post discussing Stan.

 

[Blackhawks]

Look at the last sentence in your post here as proof enough...
That's the type of **** I'm talking about.

No other explanation needed. I can post quotes, but I'm not going to go back through all your post history to find you stuff that you've said. You can read it and see what I'm talking about if you want. That's up to you. But AD covered kinda what I'm talking about. Your responses to people always seem to be something along the lines of "LMAO, Stan is a terrible GM!" when you respond to someone's post discussing Stan.

Oh wait you can throw a million shots but when I do it’s blasphamy right? Right... Sensitivity in its its finest form lol

 

[Blue Liner]

I make fun of Kruger for his pathetic offense, but yes he was great away from the puck

He could literally have the weakest wrist shot in the history of the modern NHL. Not even exaggerating.

 

[Blackhawks]

Like I said I am done here

 

[ChiHawks10]

Oh wait you can throw a million shots but when I do it’s blasphamy right? Right... Sensitivity in its its finest form lol

WTF are you talking about? I'm trying to prevent shots being fired across the bow from both sides... trying to explain to you why people respond to you the way they do. It has nothing to do with sensitivity. But here we are, back again with you calling me "sensitive" as an attempt at insulting me, even though I'm not sure why someone being sensitive would even be an insult in the first place.

You're just not able to handle any kind of criticism, constructive or otherwise. Just like you're not able to handle being wrong about anything. Just like you're not able to have a mature discussion about anything. It's just the way it is with you. And I'm not sure why I bother trying. You refuse to help yourself, so I'm not sure why I should try to help you. Back on ignore you go.

 

[Blackhawks]

WTF are you talking about? I'm trying to prevent shots being fired across the bow from both sides... trying to explain to you why people respond to you the way they do. It has nothing to do with sensitivity. But here we are, back again with you calling me "sensitive" as an attempt at insulting me, even though I'm not sure why someone being sensitive would be an insult...

You're just not able to handle any kind of criticism, constructive or otherwise. Just like you're not able to handle being wrong about anything. Just like you're not able to have a mature discussion about anything. It's just the way it is with you. And I'm not sure why I bother trying. You refuse to help yourself, so I'm not sure why I try to help you. Back on ignore you go.

Calling you sensitive is not an insult it’s a fact.

You wanna prevent shots then fine don’t reply to my messages or messages of others replying to my messages, simple. I will stay out of your way too.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Calling you sensitive is not an insult it’s a fact.

And what would your point be either way? You're still attempting to insult me by calling me "sensitive".

No problem. I'll stick ya on ignore and not bother, like I normally do. I cleared my list of Hawks fans on the ignore list a few weeks back, which is why you got taken off. And then tried to clear the air and explain to you the issue I have with you(which seems to be the same issue others also have with you). But you just don't seem to be able to have that conversation, I guess. Moving on.

 

[Blackhawks]

And what would your point be either way? You're still attempting to insult me by calling me "sensitive".

What have I been "sensitive" about in this entire thread? Please, explain.

Refer to my previous post I editted it.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Refer to my previous post I editted it.

Same.

 

[Pez68]

You guys must be bored. It is the only excuse I can fathom for entering into conversations with him.

 

[LDF]

exactly.

it just makes no sense how you can say we should have unloaded Seabs with Panarin to get even less!! also there is the issue of Seabs who has a NMC mind you lol..

the trade sucked, Bowman **** the bed we can all agree on it because Saad has turned into something that none of us saw coming...but that is still on Bowman and he knows it...but that offer of throwing away Panarin with Seabs, that one just takes the cake and proves how little he knows and how far out to lunch his really is.

this is the main point of the whole discussion, per my opinion. the Bhawks would have eliminated a huge chunk of change from the team salary. in a salary cap era, that space can help out immediately. the org is wasting T+ K era with only 3 SC's.