If you are fully attentive, then why did you come up with "Get him the hell off this team" after the last game where he was probably our best forward and had the best underlying stats on the team? (facts + eye test)
You have the right to want him off the roster but the timing for this was weird after a really strong game...
Alex Chiasson 3 goals
Alex Wennberg 0 goal
Ondrej Palat 0
Loui Eriksson 0 goal
Casey Mittelstadt 0 goal
Jesperi Kotkaniemi 0 goal
Nino Niederreiter 0 goal
Michael Grabner 0 goal
Vladislav Namestnikov 0 goal
J.T. Brown 0 goal
Anthony Beauvillier 0 goal
Taylor Hall 1 goal
Teuvo Teravainen 1 goal
Matt Duchene 1 goal
Mathew Barzal 1 goal
Nazem Kadri 1 goal
etc
Hence Chiasson is better than all these players.
Good point, sometimes it looks like fast = good for many hockey fans. If Ryan had Dzingel skating, he would still be a huge star in this league. Like you said, in general Ryan makes several more positive plays per game than Dzingel but one gets absolutely blasted, while the other is fine because age, skating and money. Anyway, coaches and analysts/people from the hockey world know at least.
Yes. Makes me want to look at the data.
First 3 years in Ottawa (from 2013-14 to 2015-16), among the 400 forwards who played at least 1000 minutes at ES, Ryan was 47th in P/60 (points per 60 minutes played). Note that Duchene was 12th, Stone was 20th and Hoffman was 23rd. And it's not because of "secondary assists", Ryan was also 48th in P1/60 (primary points)
But he was not a PP specialist at all, as he was 110th in P/60 on the PP during the same period of time (among 189 forwards who played at least 300 minutes on the PP)
Now let's look at 2016-17 :
219th in P/60 out of 353 forwards who played more than 500 minutes at ES, wasn't very luck with secondary assists I guess because he was 188th in P1/60. Not that it matters because he had a terrible regular season anyway, although it's quite understandable as he lost his mother from cancer in the summer and just had his first born child, plus he had to deal with many injuries while trying to adjust to Guy Boucher system. Plus, team PP was awful. We know what happened in the playoffs though, he more than redeemed himself.
Still not a PP specialist at all, 186th in P/60 among 199 forwards who played at least 100 minutes on the PP. Brassard was just a little better but Dzingel and Smith were even worse. It has more to do with a terrible team PP.
And 2017-18 :
He was 72nd in P/60 among 353 forwards who played 500 minutes at ES.
lol don't let the haters see that. He was 3rd on the Sens behind only Stone and Duchene (and yes more than Karlsson who is a D-man though). I found he was actually quite decent last year and rebounding from a bad regular season, although injuries ruined him again.
But again, not a great PP production as he was 198th in P/60 among 212 forwards who played at least 100 minutes on the PP. But the Sens PP was really bad again.
There is age, there is injuries but I also think he got absolutely shafted under Boucher. He didn't really play with a lot of talent too" He played mainly with Dzingel and Turris in 2016-17 + a bit with Smith and Brassard. It was better in 2017-18, as he played mostly with Duchene, then Hoffman, Dzingel, Stone, Brassard and Pageau. That's probably a reason why he was producing better.
Still a bit early to look at 2018-19 as sample sizes are small but the PP is finally looking great like you said and if Ryan produces on the PP and plays with more talent at ES (Duchene, Stone, Tkachuk, maybe even Tierney), I can easily see him bounce back to a 50+ pts season.
If you are fully attentive, then why did you come up with "Get him the hell off this team" after the last game where he was probably our best forward and had the best underlying stats on the team? (facts + eye test)
You have the right to want him off the roster but the timing for this was weird after a really strong game...
Alex Chiasson 3 goals
Alex Wennberg 0 goal
Ondrej Palat 0
Loui Eriksson 0 goal
Casey Mittelstadt 0 goal
Jesperi Kotkaniemi 0 goal
Nino Niederreiter 0 goal
Michael Grabner 0 goal
Vladislav Namestnikov 0 goal
J.T. Brown 0 goal
Anthony Beauvillier 0 goal
Taylor Hall 1 goal
Teuvo Teravainen 1 goal
Matt Duchene 1 goal
Mathew Barzal 1 goal
Nazem Kadri 1 goal
etc
Hence Chiasson is better than all these players.
Good point, sometimes it looks like fast = good for many hockey fans. If Ryan had Dzingel skating, he would still be a huge star in this league. Like you said, in general Ryan makes several more positive plays per game than Dzingel but one gets absolutely blasted, while the other is fine because age, skating and money. Anyway, coaches and analysts/people from the hockey world know at least.
Yes. Makes me want to look at the data.
First 3 years in Ottawa (from 2013-14 to 2015-16), among the 400 forwards who played at least 1000 minutes at ES, Ryan was 47th in P/60 (points per 60 minutes played). Note that Duchene was 12th, Stone was 20th and Hoffman was 23rd. And it's not because of "secondary assists", Ryan was also 48th in P1/60 (primary points)
But he was not a PP specialist at all, as he was 110th in P/60 on the PP during the same period of time (among 189 forwards who played at least 300 minutes on the PP)
Now let's look at 2016-17 :
219th in P/60 out of 353 forwards who played more than 500 minutes at ES, wasn't very luck with secondary assists I guess because he was 188th in P1/60. Not that it matters because he had a terrible regular season anyway, although it's quite understandable as he lost his mother from cancer in the summer and just had his first born child, plus he had to deal with many injuries while trying to adjust to Guy Boucher system. Plus, team PP was awful. We know what happened in the playoffs though, he more than redeemed himself.
Still not a PP specialist at all, 186th in P/60 among 199 forwards who played at least 100 minutes on the PP. Brassard was just a little better but Dzingel and Smith were even worse. It has more to do with a terrible team PP.
And 2017-18 :
He was 72nd in P/60 among 353 forwards who played 500 minutes at ES.
lol don't let the haters see that. He was 3rd on the Sens behind only Stone and Duchene (and yes more than Karlsson who is a D-man though). I found he was actually quite decent last year and rebounding from a bad regular season, although injuries ruined him again.
But again, not a great PP production as he was 198th in P/60 among 212 forwards who played at least 100 minutes on the PP. But the Sens PP was really bad again.
There is age, there is injuries but I also think he got absolutely shafted under Boucher. He didn't really play with a lot of talent too" He played mainly with Dzingel and Turris in 2016-17 + a bit with Smith and Brassard. It was better in 2017-18, as he played mostly with Duchene, then Hoffman, Dzingel, Stone, Brassard and Pageau. That's probably a reason why he was producing better.
Still a bit early to look at 2018-19 as sample sizes are small but the PP is finally looking great like you said and if Ryan produces on the PP and plays with more talent at ES (Duchene, Stone, Tkachuk, maybe even Tierney), I can easily see him bounce back to a 50+ pts season.
If you are fully attentive, then why did you come up with "Get him the hell off this team" after the last game where he was probably our best forward and had the best underlying stats on the team? (facts + eye test)
You have the right to want him off the roster but the timing for this was weird after a really strong game...
Alex Chiasson 3 goals
Alex Wennberg 0 goal
Ondrej Palat 0
Loui Eriksson 0 goal
Casey Mittelstadt 0 goal
Jesperi Kotkaniemi 0 goal
Nino Niederreiter 0 goal
Michael Grabner 0 goal
Vladislav Namestnikov 0 goal
J.T. Brown 0 goal
Anthony Beauvillier 0 goal
Taylor Hall 1 goal
Teuvo Teravainen 1 goal
Matt Duchene 1 goal
Mathew Barzal 1 goal
Nazem Kadri 1 goal
etc
Hence Chiasson is better than all these players.
Good point, sometimes it looks like fast = good for many hockey fans. If Ryan had Dzingel skating, he would still be a huge star in this league. Like you said, in general Ryan makes several more positive plays per game than Dzingel but one gets absolutely blasted, while the other is fine because age, skating and money. Anyway, coaches and analysts/people from the hockey world know at least.
Yes. Makes me want to look at the data.
First 3 years in Ottawa (from 2013-14 to 2015-16), among the 400 forwards who played at least 1000 minutes at ES, Ryan was 47th in P/60 (points per 60 minutes played). Note that Duchene was 12th, Stone was 20th and Hoffman was 23rd. And it's not because of "secondary assists", Ryan was also 48th in P1/60 (primary points)
But he was not a PP specialist at all, as he was 110th in P/60 on the PP during the same period of time (among 189 forwards who played at least 300 minutes on the PP)
Now let's look at 2016-17 :
219th in P/60 out of 353 forwards who played more than 500 minutes at ES, wasn't very luck with secondary assists I guess because he was 188th in P1/60. Not that it matters because he had a terrible regular season anyway, although it's quite understandable as he lost his mother from cancer in the summer and just had his first born child, plus he had to deal with many injuries while trying to adjust to Guy Boucher system. Plus, team PP was awful. We know what happened in the playoffs though, he more than redeemed himself.
Still not a PP specialist at all, 186th in P/60 among 199 forwards who played at least 100 minutes on the PP. Brassard was just a little better but Dzingel and Smith were even worse. It has more to do with a terrible team PP.
And 2017-18 :
He was 72nd in P/60 among 353 forwards who played 500 minutes at ES.
lol don't let the haters see that. He was 3rd on the Sens behind only Stone and Duchene (and yes more than Karlsson who is a D-man though). I found he was actually quite decent last year and rebounding from a bad regular season, although injuries ruined him again.
But again, not a great PP production as he was 198th in P/60 among 212 forwards who played at least 100 minutes on the PP. But the Sens PP was really bad again.
There is age, there is injuries but I also think he got absolutely shafted under Boucher. He didn't really play with a lot of talent too" He played mainly with Dzingel and Turris in 2016-17 + a bit with Smith and Brassard. It was better in 2017-18, as he played mostly with Duchene, then Hoffman, Dzingel, Stone, Brassard and Pageau. That's probably a reason why he was producing better.
Still a bit early to look at 2018-19 as sample sizes are small but the PP is finally looking great like you said and if Ryan produces on the PP and plays with more talent at ES (Duchene, Stone, Tkachuk, maybe even Tierney), I can easily see him bounce back to a 50+ pts season.
Or that it would be better to have another non NHL ready super fast player ala Formenton instead? I'm pretty sure in your mind that Formenton has been better. But that's the thing I was talking about with JD1, a player skating fast is pretty much automatically better than a slower skater in some fans mind, even though all underlying stats suggest the opposite. I would even say that playing a lot with Formenton, Paajarvi and Smith has been holding Ryan back. It's hard to expect anybody to put numbers with those unless maybe you're elite like Stone. I love Tkachuk and no doubt in my mind he is going to be an impact player, maybe even on Stone level, but that's just silly. You clearly don't remember Ryan from 2013 to 2016 or even the 2017 playoffs. Just 2017-18 and even 2016-17, I found a few games where he was in the three stars of the game (there's probably more but won't check them all)I feel like the puck almost always slips but him. Then he falls when he turns too fast to get it.
Dude cmon lol. Remember Bobby in his first half season here? He was f***ing awesome. Then he got hurt and never regained that form again until 16-17 playoffs.
