Player Discussion Bobby Ryan Part VII

[Golden_Jet]

Great interview with Bobby on the latest Ray and Dregs podcast. Like usual so honest and thoughtful in his answers.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

A buyout would be more of a political move. It would save the team 3.63M total, but most of those savings would be taken up by replacing him with an NHL body.

Maybe it's a good thing if there's baggage. Ryan is one of the last remaining Senators from the previous core, it is also no secret that we came close to tacking him on to the Karlsson trade. It would let both sides move on and get a fresh start. I don't know, I'm not in the room so I have no idea how Ryan and the team identify the situation.

If the team is actually going to spend close to the cap in the long term, a buyout doesn't make strategic sense because it would push dead cap over into 2023 and 2024 when we theoretically would be spending.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Great interview with Bobby on the latest Ray and Dregs podcast. Like usual so honest and thoughtful in his answers.

From Ray and Dregs: Bobby Ryan opens up about battle with alcohol abuse - TSN.ca

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

@ianmendes talks to Bobby - Just saw this today. I missed this one...

Mendes: Ottawa Senators F Bobby Ryan opens up on quarantined life in Idaho - TSN.ca

The family made the decision to return to Idaho from Ottawa last month once they realized the NHL season was not going to be resuming in the foreseeable future. They hastily arranged airline tickets and were able to fly back on the final day the border remained open for non-essential travel between Canada and the United States in late March.

“We made some calls and got things together. We flew at the last possible moment,” Ryan said.
Prior to that, Ryan was observing an extended period of self-isolation in Ottawa after being on the Senators' team charter that returned from California with multiple cases of COVID-19.

Ryan recalls getting off the team charter in Ottawa and wondering if he was risking his own family’s health by returning home.

 

[GCK]

I think we see Bobby bounce back and flirt with 20 goals next season. One of the best ways to maintain sobriety is to dedicate to a very healthy lifestyle. Racist tweets aside I am hoping a healthy, happy and sober Bobby shows us some flashes of his play against Boston.

 

[jhutter]

I think we see Bobby bounce back and flirt with 20 goals next season. One of the best ways to maintain sobriety is to dedicate to a very healthy lifestyle. Racist tweets aside I am hoping a healthy, happy and sober Bobby shows us some flashes of his play against Boston.

I must be out of the loop. Racist tweets?

 

[Shruggs Peterson]

I must be out of the loop. Racist tweets?

I think they are referring to his account 3-4 years ago:

Bobby Ryan deletes Twitter, taking controversial tweets with him

Not sure what that has to do with wishing a guy well though.

 

[Six Assets]

I think they are referring to his account 3-4 years ago:

Bobby Ryan deletes Twitter, taking controversial tweets with him

Not sure what that has to do with wishing a guy well though.

hopefully he can continue to make progress in other parts of his life

 

[JungleBeat]

He’ll most likely come to camp with terrible conditioning.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( OTT)
2020-21	$5,500,000	$7,250,000	$2,000,000	$1,833,333	$3,833,333	$3,666,667	$3,583,333
2021-22	$5,500,000	$7,250,000	$2,000,000	$1,833,333	$3,833,333	$3,666,667	$3,583,333
2022-23	$0	$0	$0	$1,833,333	$1,833,333	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333
2023-24	$0	$0	$0	$1,833,333	$1,833,333	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333
TOTAL	$11,000,000	$14,500,000	$4,000,000	$7,333,333	$11,333,333	$3,666,667	$10,833,332

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

With revenues hurt by COVID-19, I wonder if we consider buying Ryan out.

Melnyk would save about 2 million over the life time of the contract by replacing Ryan's roster spot with an ELC or journey man for the remaining 2 years. The team would also gain flexibility because instead of paying out 15 million to Ryan over the next two years, they would only be paying out about 9 million (buyout cost+ELC roster spot cost). So they get 3 million in salary space to work with over the next two seasons, at the expense of about 1.8 million in lost salary space in the two seasons after that.

 

[bert]

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( OTT)
2020-21	$5,500,000	$7,250,000	$2,000,000	$1,833,333	$3,833,333	$3,666,667	$3,583,333
2021-22	$5,500,000	$7,250,000	$2,000,000	$1,833,333	$3,833,333	$3,666,667	$3,583,333
2022-23	$0	$0	$0	$1,833,333	$1,833,333	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333
2023-24	$0	$0	$0	$1,833,333	$1,833,333	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333
TOTAL	$11,000,000	$14,500,000	$4,000,000	$7,333,333	$11,333,333	$3,666,667	$10,833,332

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

With revenues hurt by COVID-19, I wonder if we consider buying Ryan out.

Melnyk would save about 2 million over the life time of the contract by replacing Ryan's roster spot with an ELC or journey man for the remaining 2 years. The team would also gain flexibility because instead of paying out 15 million to Ryan over the next two years, they would only be paying out about 9 million (buyout cost+ELC roster spot cost). So they get 3 million in salary space to work with over the next two seasons, at the expense of about 1.8 million in lost salary space in the two seasons after that.

No there is a cap floor, there is absolutely no point in trying to save 2 million over 3 years for a way worse player. He is good for the room and the fans and community like him too. He is actually exciting to watch and has some skill on a team with no skill.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

It's only two years. We don't the extra cap space, and he's a decent vet who is well liked in the room. I'd rather keep him than take a chance on a mystery box pickup.

 

[Crosside]

Exactly and the couple game he play after his comeback, really like what I see. I read a interview he make this week-end and he planning to start training on ice next week.

 

[Larionov]

A healthy, motivated Bobby Ryan really helps pick up our second power play unit, so there's that. (Did you see what we were rolling out for a PP2 when Ryan was out? Yikes.) Also, having him on the roster helps for the Seattle expansion draft - he's another veteran we can expose in order to meet the requirements. Unlikely that Seattle picks him up, although if they need to hit the floor for year one you never know.

Anyway, at least for 2020-21, I think that keeping Ryan is the best move, especially given how small the cap savings are in buying him out. Maybe a year from now you buy out his final year if he is blocking the promotion of a prospect, but for 2020-21 he isn't...

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( OTT)
2020-21	$5,500,000	$7,250,000	$2,000,000	$1,833,333	$3,833,333	$3,666,667	$3,583,333
2021-22	$5,500,000	$7,250,000	$2,000,000	$1,833,333	$3,833,333	$3,666,667	$3,583,333
2022-23	$0	$0	$0	$1,833,333	$1,833,333	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333
2023-24	$0	$0	$0	$1,833,333	$1,833,333	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333
TOTAL	$11,000,000	$14,500,000	$4,000,000	$7,333,333	$11,333,333	$3,666,667	$10,833,332

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

With revenues hurt by COVID-19, I wonder if we consider buying Ryan out.

Melnyk would save about 2 million over the life time of the contract by replacing Ryan's roster spot with an ELC or journey man for the remaining 2 years. The team would also gain flexibility because instead of paying out 15 million to Ryan over the next two years, they would only be paying out about 9 million (buyout cost+ELC roster spot cost). So they get 3 million in salary space to work with over the next two seasons, at the expense of about 1.8 million in lost salary space in the two seasons after that.

Could see Eugene wanting this.

 

[Stylizer1]

No there is a cap floor, there is absolutely no point in trying to save 2 million over 3 years for a way worse player. He is good for the room and the fans and community like him too. He is actually exciting to watch and has some skill on a team with no skill.

Who are we taking about here?

 

[Xspyrit]

Since we will be so low on salary spent and close to the cap floor, might as well use him as vet who provides skill and experience. This is a way to shelter the kids a bit, not throw them to the wolves. It keeps the internal competition higher, young forwards will have to outplay Ryan to earn ice time and PP time. For the last year it could change depending on what happen, but I don't see the rush for this season.

Forward vets should be Ryan, Duclair, Connor Brown and to some extent Colin white, Nick Paul and Brady Tkachuk. The rest won't have a lot of NHL experience, except maybe Tierney and Anisimov who might be there until the trade deadline.

 

[Senscore]

Congratulations on his Masterton Trophy win.


He's been through a lot the the last while.

 

[Sweatred]

Since we will be so low on salary spent and close to the cap floor, might as well use him as vet who provides skill and experience. This is a way to shelter the kids a bit, not throw them to the wolves. It keeps the internal competition higher, young forwards will have to outplay Ryan to earn ice time and PP time. For the last year it could change depending on what happen, but I don't see the rush for this season.

Forward vets should be Ryan, Duclair, Connor Brown and to some extent Colin white, Nick Paul and Brady Tkachuk. The rest won't have a lot of NHL experience, except maybe Tierney and Anisimov who might be there until the trade deadline.

I don't need to see Ryan clog up the PP with another 11G (his 4 year average) type season. I assume he can provide a little bit of leadership and injury protection but I'd prefer the PP time to go to Duclair, Batherson, Norris, Brown, Brown, Tierney, 2020 3OA, or even White, Paul, Balcers, Formenton type players at this point.

 

[RickTheDick61]

The day Bobby isn't a Senator I will throw a big party and all of you are invited.

When and where is the party by the way?

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

SEASON	INITIAL BASE SALARY	INITIAL CAP HIT	SIGNING BONUS	BUYOUT COST	POST-BUYOUT EARNINGS	SAVINGS	CAP HIT ( OTT)
2020-21	$5,500,000	$7,250,000	$2,000,000	$1,833,333	$3,833,333	$3,666,667	$3,583,333
2021-22	$5,500,000	$7,250,000	$2,000,000	$1,833,333	$3,833,333	$3,666,667	$3,583,333
2022-23	$0	$0	$0	$1,833,333	$1,833,333	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333
2023-24	$0	$0	$0	$1,833,333	$1,833,333	-$1,833,333	$1,833,333
TOTAL	$11,000,000	$14,500,000	$4,000,000	$7,333,333	$11,333,333	$3,666,667	$10,833,332

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

With revenues hurt by COVID-19, I wonder if we consider buying Ryan out.

Melnyk would save about 2 million over the life time of the contract by replacing Ryan's roster spot with an ELC or journey man for the remaining 2 years. The team would also gain flexibility because instead of paying out 15 million to Ryan over the next two years, they would only be paying out about 9 million (buyout cost+ELC roster spot cost). So they get 3 million in salary space to work with over the next two seasons, at the expense of about 1.8 million in lost salary space in the two seasons after that.

Good call

 

[Matsens15]

looks like he choose #54

 

[Icelevel]

looks like he choose #54

That’s pretty cool. Will be fun seeing him in red wings gear. Hope it works out for him. Back to 25 goals, you got this Bobby.

 

[TheDebater]

looks like he choose #54

5+4= 9


Just a guess.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

5+4= 9


Just a guess.

Makes sense.