Player Discussion Bo Horvat

Knight53

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Bo Horvat is just a stunning player. Every single time you think you have him figured out, and you know what you'll get out of him, he comes back the following season and goes "**** you" and smashes through another ceiling.

Yeah, it's pretty surreal how he keeps hitting another level year after year.

Hope we can get a Stone or Panarin to play with him next year.
 

Curmudgeon

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Horvat is a real force when he wills himself on a game like last night despite not having equal caliber linemates. He's establishing himself as a top all around center and I don't see much if any separation between him and Pettersson as far as team MVP season to date. The league and media need to wake up on this guy.
 

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Horvat is a real force when he wills himself on a game like last night despite not having equal caliber linemates. He's establishing himself as a top all around center and I don't see much if any separation between him and Pettersson as far as team MVP season to date. The league and media need to wake up on this guy.

As good as Bo has been, I don't see how EP isn't the clear-cut MVP so far.
 

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" That's something for the off season. We feel we have a lot of good veteran leaders in the group now. We want Bo to grow as a player. He's becoming a two-way guy that can play against top lines."....Benning on the captaincy.

I think its safe to say that if anybody gets the "C" next year..It will be Horvat.
 

GetFocht

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557 faceoffs in 22 Games

That is F'n Insane
Bergeron is 2nd in the league with 436

That is a huge amount of faceoffs and especially to be 54%

Didn't realize he took so many faceoffs and producing at an excellent pace. Bo is a player you never trade, he's too valuable
 
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mossey3535

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But he doesn't go head hunting for his teammate, he only cares about 2 pts
Non captain material
Right???

Non-sequitur. Even if it wasn't, Bo has gone out and given hits before when the game has escalated. He's fought before too.
 

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557 faceoffs in 22 Games

That is F'n Insane
Bergeron is 2nd in the league with 436

That is a huge amount of faceoffs and especially to be 54%

Pin that on Travis Green. Some posters here wonder why Benning went out and acquired Beagle and suggesting that being good at faceoffs is useless and that is the only thing that Beagle offered.

Who will be better? Horvat or Linden?

In terms of actual career numbers? Linden. Otherwise, Horvat. Linden's career declined really early and I think a lot of that had to do with the way Linden trained. Partly that had to do with the era Linden played in and partly due to to Linden just wanting to do things that are fun to him (like riding the bike).
 

Intangibos

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Who will be better? Horvat or Linden?

Linden was overrated as a player because he was captain Canuck.

He was still a very good player, but I don't think Linden exactly has a huge edge on Horvat if he has one at all. It really boils down to playoff performances. If Bo ever has a monster playoff run like the one Linden had it won't even be close.
 

PuckMunchkin

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Pin that on Travis Green. Some posters here wonder why Benning went out and acquired Beagle and suggesting that being good at faceoffs is useless and that is the only thing that Beagle offered.



In terms of actual career numbers? Linden. Otherwise, Horvat. Linden's career declined really early and I think a lot of that had to do with the way Linden trained. Partly that had to do with the era Linden played in and partly due to to Linden just wanting to do things that are fun to him (like riding the bike).

Did you look in to what they were talking about faceoffs?
 

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There's been some fair criticism on Horvat in the last couple years with him stagnating a bit and playing too much like a muffin at times but credit where credit is due, he's become an absolute bull recently. Playing super heavy minutes, using his frame and working hard in the trenches. He's such a strong and powerful presence when he plays like this, instead of the cutesy finesse open ice toe drag stuff which is always a hit and miss (more miss). Almost PPG now while being strong defensively and carrying AHL wingers on his back.

The question is will his mindset change back into that dipsydoodle-mode when he goes back to playing with more talented players in a more offensive role.
 

StreetHawk

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Pettersson + Horvat?

Who would have known that our center depth would be set.
They are pretty much splotting into the henrik and Kesler roles. Bo isn’t going to be the selke guy that Kesler was, but I think he uses his line mates better. Likes Kes he’ll be the all situation guy from 2 man down through to 2 man up as well as up or down late he’d be the guy on the ice.
 
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Trelane

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Way too much energy being expended by Horvat just going on and off the ice to take all these bloody draws when he could be deployed in other situation. But, yeah, Nucks are set at centre for a long time. Bo bested Bergeron that other day and while it's doubtful he'll have as good a career he has it in him to make it pretty close. Continuous improvement is good to see. Pettersson > Krejci and not by a small margin. Two runs to the finals would be nice.

Team misses Sutter bad. Can't deal him beacause then they'd need someone like him and Gaudette has ways to go.

Don't much care for the younger Hughes, should the impossible happen and our lottery luck change. With his wanting 200ft game he'll not play centre for this outfit for a while and if the assessment with EP was to keep him away from the boards then the same will go for a guy with equally weak frame, only much shorter.

Early to mid pick will put the Nucks in the range for one of those big winger, or centres who can play wing, types. But first deal Edler for the best RHD already drafted prospect out there and call it a year.
 

Intangibos

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Should there be talk in the media about Horvat for Selke? He's on a near 70 point pace playing with literally whos with the most faceoffs in the league playing in all situations.

This guy is the heart of the team right now, and while the team is a 70 year old 450 pounder, that just means the heart has to work that much harder to keep beating.
 

THE Green Man

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Should there be talk in the media about Horvat for Selke? He's on a near 70 point pace playing with literally whos with the most faceoffs in the league playing in all situations.

This guy is the heart of the team right now, and while the team is a 70 year old 450 pounder, that just means the heart has to work that much harder to keep beating.
Hard to be considered for Selke when the team won't be in the playoff bubble picture and are currently tied for 4th worst in goal differential at -14. Granted it's weird to say that Bo is at a respectable -3 on the season considering his deployment for half of the season thus far.
 

mossey3535

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I think it's BS people claiming he wasn't good at defence before. His positioning and defensive stickwork has been pretty great since his first year in the league. I even commented on it way back in prospect camp. Yes, he could have covered guys a little harder at times, and there was a definite adjustment period when he was developing his offensive game where he was caught behind the play at times.

But this isn't some sudden morph into a defensively responsible player. He's always been at least above average at it.

What kills me is that people will focus on Horvat somehow being "bad" defensively but meanwhile since he's been on the team half of the rest of the forwards are aimless wanderers in their own end.
 
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Intangibos

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I think it's BS people claiming he wasn't good at defence before. His positioning and defensive stickwork has been pretty great since his first year in the league. I even commented on it way back in prospect camp. Yes, he could have covered guys a little harder at times, and there was a definite adjustment period when he was developing his offensive game where he was caught behind the play at times.

But this isn't some sudden morph into a defensively responsible player. He's always been at least above average at it.

What kills me is that people will focus on Horvat somehow being "bad" defensively but meanwhile since he's been on the team half of the rest of the forwards are aimless wanderers in their own end.

Well yes and no. It's not that he was bad defensively, it's that he didn't play well defensively and there is a difference. In his rookie year he was very responsible defensively, but since then he has cheated quite a bit defensively to put up points. He wasn't the worst, but he wasn't good either.

The Sedins earlier in their careers were fine defensively, but they started cheating to put up more points, and it was worth it because they gained a bigger edge on offense than they gave up on defense. I thought for the last year or two they should have been PP specialists who played a more well rounded/defensive game. They're high IQ players who are good along the boards, absolutely no reason they couldn't be a solid two way 2nd/3rd line if they wanted to. Unfortunately they kept cheating and just didn't have the edge anymore to make it worthwhile.

Bo is clearly good enough to play a two-way game, and it's both interesting and encouraging that as a helicopter line while playing solid defense he's putting up a better pace than last season, but he hasn't played responsibly defensively for the past few seasons. I hope when Sutter returns he realizes he's good enough to play this two way game, or that he absolutely explodes offensively if he decides to turn down defence.

I love Pettersson and that kid is gonna be a superstar, but Horvat, like every season before, has seemingly taken a major leap forward and is looking like an elite 2c or legit 1c. He's putting up Toews numbers without guys like Kane to play with. He is also doing so with tough deployment. He should 100% be in the running for the Selke IMO and I really hope if he's still trucking along at a 70pt pace after 40 games that the media takes notice. Instead of actual top 6 players he's playing with Schaller, Archibald, Eriksson, Leipsic and Virtanen. Absolute killer season so far.
 
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