Blues Discussion Thread 2018-2019 - Part II

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PiggySmalls

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The even strength points argument always cracks me up. I love it.

Also that Canucks fan is doing GM ranking polls and Armstrong just placed in the top 5 and he's furious. :laugh:

That cry baby would have bitched even if Doug Armstrong finished 31. If the Blues win the cup before Vancouver, he going to get trolled so badly by the whole board.
 

BlueDream

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Just looking at the standings from last season again. The Blues were tied for the LEAST amount of OT losses in the entire Western Conference last year with 6. That's also the 2nd least in the entire LEAGUE. Way behind teams like the Wild, Jets, Preds, Ducks, Sharks etc who were all in double digits.

Just goes to show that even through everything that went wrong, if the Blues even had a league-average amount of OTL's they would have been in the playoffs. Just didn't have any luck, really.

That's the first year since 2011 they didn't finish in the top 3 in the division.

I think people sometimes take this for granted, this "well we have to wait and see how this team meshes" stuff is nonsense. I'd say the Blues are as much of a guarantee for the playoffs as anyone in the league. I believe that 100%.

Pumped to see the boys on the ice next week.
 

Beauterham

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That cry baby would have *****ed even if Doug Armstrong finished 31. If the Blues win the cup before Vancouver, he going to get trolled so badly by the whole board.

To be honest, I love reading that guys posts. I find his bitterness towards the Blues really really funny: unintentionally his posts have a Monthy Python level of humor sprinkled on them. He could've been a character on The Office. Or even better he could be among those old guys from The Muppets that are always complaining on the balcony: Statler & Waldorff.

I think we should embrace him, hug him and love him... because he will hate it, loathe us and he will despise us even more. Which makes it even more funnier. Let's just make him our mascotte for this year. I'm voting for a etteduag to reseob avatar theme if we make the playoffs! ;)
 

The Note in MI

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To be honest, I love reading that guys posts. I find his bitterness towards the Blues really really funny: unintentionally his posts have a Monthy Python level of humor sprinkled on them. He could've been a character on The Office. Or even better he could be among those old guys from The Muppets that are always complaining on the balcony: Statler & Waldorff.

I think we should embrace him, hug him and love him... because he will hate it, loathe us and he will despise us even more. Which makes it even more funnier. Let's just make him our mascotte for this year. I'm voting for a etteduag to reseob avatar theme if we make the playoffs! ;)
100% on board with this. Everything in reverse spelling
 

STL fan in MN

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Sounds like I need to check out the main board as I have no idea who this Canucks fan is you guys are talking about! :laugh:
 

Bobby Orrtuzzo

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Sounds like I need to check out the main board as I have no idea who this Canucks fan is you guys are talking about! :laugh:
His name is etteduag to reseob (gaudette to boeser backwards). He is the ultimate blues hater. If there’s even a hint of a mention of the blues on the main boards he’s there to bash us lol
 

Beauterham

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Sounds like I need to check out the main board as I have no idea who this Canucks fan is you guys are talking about! :laugh:

I've got you covered!


I present you 10 minutes worth of checking his posthistory, this is pure gold.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2018-nhl-gm-rankings-6.2537621/
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...rites-as-per-hfboards.2535109/#post-149162141
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2015-nhl-re-draft-17.2534193/page-2#post-149159737
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/edm-scottie-upshall.2530083/page-4#post-148975863
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2019-stanley-cup-favourite-14.2526835/#post-148753673
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...est-this-season.2526345/page-3#post-148717163
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2019-stanley-cup-favourite-11.2523481/#post-148565237
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2019-stanley-cup-favourite-8.2522371/page-2#post-148479965
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/is-tarasenko-a-future-hof.2522283/page-2#post-148473429
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...-in-the-league.2521065/page-21#post-148420833
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/sj-vs-stl.2518205/#post-148210347
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2018-around-the-league.2507191/page-14#post-148068379
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...tl-1-year-1-75m.2515325/page-4#post-148005927
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2018-19-standing-predictions.2511965/page-5#post-147804849
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...nference-finals.2511947/page-3#post-147774317
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...-tage-thompson.2511989/page-46#post-147741779
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...-tage-thompson.2511989/page-22#post-147700227
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/2018-around-the-league.2507191/page-5#post-147697995




My personal favorite:
Robert Thomas pre-draft
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/thre...ton-bulldogs-ohl-2017-20th-stl.2158445/page-2
Some time later, Robert Thomas has been drafted
https://hfboards.mandatory.com/threads/adam-gaudette-hobey-baker-winner.2434877/page-39



:popcorn:
 

STL fan in MN

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Wow.

I wonder why this guy hates the Blues so much. Maybe because the Blues are HF darlings apparently?? :dunno:

Loved the “that went south quickly with Blues fans banding together to get Army voted in as a top-5 GM.” I looked at the poll and recognized 3-4 of the 15 usernames that voted for Army. :laugh:

I mean, I could see the logistics of a Hawks fan perhaps hating us that much but Canucks? Eh, whatever.
 

Beauterham

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This is my favourite quote.

On the Maroon signing:
"Maroon is a bum, hes been beaten up even by our not so great fighters Gudbranson and Dorset. Hes a spot picker, chicken **** weasel who cant back it up against tough customers. Wouldnt want that rodent anywhere near this team. Him ending up with the Blues is a match made in heaven"
- etteduag to reseob


I'm gonna print it, frame it and hang it up on my toiletwall. This is such a huge piece of art.
 

BlueDream

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It's gonna be great when Maroon scores against the Canucks and then beats the tar out of Roussel in the same game.

The Thomas stuff is gold too.
 

Davimir Tarablad

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It's gonna be great when Maroon scores against the Canucks and then beats the tar out of Roussel in the same game.

The Thomas stuff is gold too.
I forgot that dirtbag signed with Vancouver. I might have to buy a popcorn maker to keep up with this guy defending the inevitable scumbag move from Roussel against the Blues.
 

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I try to not get too hung up on line combos during the summer but to me, a lot hinges on Fabbri. If he can step right and and be top-6 caliber, then that really changes things.

But my guess is they be pretty cautious with him and he plays somewhat limited 3rd line minutes to start.

But I’ll also say that I could see the Blues putting together a great 3rd line...a 3rd line that could end up being the best line on a particular night and thus getting treated as the 1st line by Yeo. To me, I see more of a pretty even top-9. And so many combos that could be put together. I suspect Yeo will try countless combos, especially with so many new guys.

I think we'll see Schwartz/ROR/Steen used sometimes in important defensive situations and as a shutdown line vs top heavy teams like the Avs and Bruins
 

bleedblue1223

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I just want to know what happened to make him hate the Blues so much. I enjoy his stuff, very amusing, just want to know what influenced it. Blues and Canucks haven't had any bad blood since the MacInnis/Bertuzzi days, and back then Blues fans had more to be upset at then Canucks with Bertuzzi hurting MacInnis and Jackman.
 

Brian39

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From today’s preview of the Sabres on The Athletic:


Jeez...maybe he should be a power-play specialist and shut-down Center here. Really don’t want to see him drag down his wingers...but to be fair, his wingers in Buffalo couldn’t hold the jocks of the Blues’ top wings. Stunning to see how bad his 5-on-5 scoring was, but like in Colorado before Buffalo, i’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that his numbers were a product of the garbage around him.

P/60 isn't a bad metric, but I think people drastically overvalue it. It has been demonstrated time and time again that P/60 is often not sustainable as ice time increases. Tons of sheltered middle 6 guys have awesome P/60 and are unable to sustain that when asked to play an extra 3-4 minutes of non-sheltered ice time against quality competition.

Again, it's not a bad metric, but focusing on it without context doesn't tell me much. ROR was asked to do tons and tons of heavy lifting in Buffalo. His zone starts were 41/59 in favor of the defensive zone, which was the 27th most "defensive" zone start rate for NHL players with 800+ minutes at 5 on 5 last year. Only 1 player ahead of him on that list had a P/60 above 2.00 and only 3 of the guys ahead of him on that list finished in the top 100 of P/60.

His job most nights was to shut down the opposing team's top line and Eichel's line was put out there in any favorable offensive situation/matchup unless they had just gotten off the ice. There is certainly room for improvement with his 5 on 5 production, but looking at just P/60 without context makes his season look a hell of a lot worse than it was. He played a role that absolutely tanks P/60 and does so for almost every single player league wide. His 5 on 5 production last year was not good enough even with that context, but his 3 year P/60 is right where I would expect it to be. I don't have many concerns.

Edit: After doing some digging, I found a weird quirk with ROR's stats. NHL.com has him at 34 even strength points while Corsica has him at 24. Moreover, adding his even strength points, PP points and shorthanded points on Corsica gives me a total of 50 points. ROR had 61 points last year, so Corsica's stats for him are brutally off. Excluding 10 of his even strength points would certainly lead to a P/60 well below his 3 year average. Obviously some of those 10 could be 4 on 4 or 3 on 3, but it certainly wouldn't be more than a handful.
 

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P/60 isn't a bad metric, but I think people drastically overvalue it. It has been demonstrated time and time again that P/60 is often not sustainable as ice time increases. Tons of sheltered middle 6 guys have awesome P/60 and are unable to sustain that when asked to play an extra 3-4 minutes of non-sheltered ice time against quality competition.

Again, it's not a bad metric, but focusing on it without context doesn't tell me much. ROR was asked to do tons and tons of heavy lifting in Buffalo. His zone starts were 41/59 in favor of the defensive zone, which was the 27th most "defensive" zone start rate for NHL players with 800+ minutes at 5 on 5 last year. Only 1 player ahead of him on that list had a P/60 above 2.00 and only 3 of the guys ahead of him on that list finished in the top 100 of P/60.

His job most nights was to shut down the opposing team's top line and Eichel's line was put out there in any favorable offensive situation/matchup unless they had just gotten off the ice. There is certainly room for improvement with his 5 on 5 production, but looking at just P/60 without context makes his season look a hell of a lot worse than it was. He played a role that absolutely tanks P/60 and does so for almost every single player league wide. His 5 on 5 production last year was not good enough even with that context, but his 3 year P/60 is right where I would expect it to be. I don't have many concerns.

Edit: After doing some digging, I found a weird quirk with ROR's stats. NHL.com has him at 34 even strength points while Corsica has him at 24. Moreover, adding his even strength points, PP points and shorthanded points on Corsica gives me a total of 50 points. ROR had 61 points last year, so Corsica's stats for him are brutally off. Excluding 10 of his even strength points would certainly lead to a P/60 well below his 3 year average. Obviously some of those 10 could be 4 on 4 or 3 on 3, but it certainly wouldn't be more than a handful.
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Lets just go along with the narrative that ROR is a PP specialist, and that's where he gets the bulk of his production. Considering our PP, it would be good to get players that succeed on the PP.

In reality, those numbers are heavily influenced by linemates and usage, just like in Schenn's case. When a players moves from 1 team to another, you can't put much stock into those numbers.
 

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Maybe I'm wrong....but I dont think personal was the issue. Our PP genuinely didnt know what the f*** to do
 

bleedblue1223

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Maybe I'm wrong....but I dont think personal was the issue. Our PP genuinely didnt know what the **** to do

I mostly agree, was just using that to counter a point that I think is silly. I agree that the argument that I made was equally silly. You don't improve a powerplay by trading for a player that scored a bunch on the PP on a different team, much more complicated than that. Maybe if you were targeting for a specific role, like a shooter on the half-boards or a QB, but that's not what we did with ROR.

Coaching/system was the bulk of the issues.
 

Dbrownss

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I mostly agree, was just using that to counter a point that I think is silly. I agree that the argument that I made was equally silly. You don't improve a powerplay by trading for a player that scored a bunch on the PP on a different team, much more complicated than that. Maybe if you were targeting for a specific role, like a shooter on the half-boards or a QB, but that's not what we did with ROR.

Coaching/system was the bulk of the issues.
Oh, that wasnt targeted at you at all. Just kind of jumped into the PP talk. They kept talking about not having enough RHS. They had Petro and Parayko who they never utilized in a 1 timer option. They forced vladi to the left point. They could have easily loaded up pp1 with Petro at the left circle, Schenn in the middle Parayko at the left point, Vladi on the right wing and Dunn at the right point. Vladi can dish the puck very well. It would have gave him a pass option vs nothing.

Watching the baby blues be just as ineffective has me worried before training camp even starts :laugh:
 
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Anyone else find it odd that Jordan Schmaltz is still unsigned?

It's pretty weird for a fringe player like him to not have a contract at this point. All the other RFAs without a contract are actual contributors in the NHL so their negotiations take a bit more work. But Schmaltz shouldn't be a hard signing.

For all the talk of Gunnarsson or Bouwmeester being traded I have a growing suspicion that Schmaltz isn't on the Blues roster come October. Whether he is traded or just flat out isn't good enough to make the team, I wouldn't be surprised if he was even just waived either.
 

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Oh, that wasnt targeted at you at all. Just kind of jumped into the PP talk. They kept talking about not having enough RHS. They had Petro and Parayko who they never utilized in a 1 timer option. They forced vladi to the left point. They could have easily loaded up pp1 with Petro at the left circle, Schenn in the middle Parayko at the left point, Vladi on the right wing and Dunn at the right point. Vladi can dish the puck very well. It would have gave him a pass option vs nothing.

Watching the baby blues be just as ineffective has me worried before training camp even starts :laugh:
I'm not expecting much improvement to be honest.
 
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