he should be back in the next 10 days, he participated in his first full team practice since the injury at Thursdays morning skate, and was NOT wearing a non-contact jersey which is great to see
Good to hear!
he should be back in the next 10 days, he participated in his first full team practice since the injury at Thursdays morning skate, and was NOT wearing a non-contact jersey which is great to see
Nylander is not even worthy as s starting point for Pietro
And why would Gardiner take a ****ty contract like that, he wants max payment, he wants his retierment contract now (he will get it from Chia)
It would be far wiser for the Blues to simply re-sign Pietrangelo.Pietrangelo is 28 and a UFA after next season. What exactly do you think he'd return in trade that's above and beyond Nylander?
St. Louis would be wise to move him now, and Nylander would be a very solid piece for their future
It would be far wiser for the Blues to simply re-sign Pietrangelo.
Well, that contract you just fabricated would currently make him the highest paid defenseman in the game by AAV...a contract I don't think he's earned, nor do I think that it would take the Blues offering that for him to re-sign here. How do you justify basing this discussion on those numbers?Do you really think it's "far wiser" for the Blues to sign him to a 7 year, 65 million dollar contract?
Because history has shown us that it seldom ends well when teams spend big money on a 30-something free-agent
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John Tavares is playing so well it does make you think; why not sign Marner and Nylander, and trade Matthews for a whole pile of goodies? Not saying they would, but it’s not such a crazy idea any more. And that’s because of JT.
Well, that contract you just fabricated would currently make him the highest paid defenseman in the game by AAV...a contract I don't think he's earned, nor do I think that it would take the Blues offering that for him to re-sign here. How do you justify basing this discussion on those numbers?
There's no real reason to believe that Pietrangelo can't perform at a high level into his mid 30s. He plays a style of game that ages well, and very talented players tend to have generous tails to their production curves. A seven year contract only takes him to age 36. That's perfectly fine. He likely won't be as good at the end of the contract as he is now, but that doesn't mean it isn't money well spent.
I'd like to know why you think the organization would be better off dumping their upper end #1 defenseman, a guy they simply can't replace, and instead investing most of that money in a RWer who wouldn't currently be one of the best four forwards on the Blues.
Second highest paid defenseman, then. It's still extremely unlikely that's what he would be getting if he re-signed with the Blues.It works out to 9.2 million a year
Doughty will be making 11. OEL just signed for 8.25. Carlson is at 8
I used the OEL as a basis, then added a million predicated on the cap going up
As I said already:
History has shown us that it seldom ends well when teams spend big money on a 30-something free-agent
The real question is: Will the Blues be legit contenders in the coming years with AP? If the answer is 'no', then I think he should be moved
Second highest paid defenseman, then. It's still extremely unlikely that's what he would be getting if he re-signed with the Blues.
Do you feel like you have a pretty good read on how competitive the Blues will be over the next 7 years with Pietrangelo? How do you even begin to forecast that when there's so much roster turnover every year, and it's pretty likely the Blues will be changing coaches in the near future.
IMO, a better series of questions would be:
-Are the Blues more likely to be in a competitive window during that span or not? It think they are pretty clearly positioned to be competitive, their current struggles notwithstanding.
-Does having Pietrangelo on the team fill a need commensurate with the contract he would be earning? Again, it seems pretty clear to me that he would.
-Is the contract it would take to retain Pietrangelo something the Blues can practically afford? We're completely speculating at this point without hard numbers to consider, but the Blues currently seem to be well positioned to afford him.
-Is there a better alternative available? Again, we're largely dealing with unknowns here, but I feel pretty confident saying there isn't a better defenseman available for the Blues to spend that money on. A goalie isn't worth spending that money on. There *might* be a forward available depending on what happens with guys like Taylor Hall, but the chances are pretty good that most (if not all) of the premium talents don't make it to free agency. Regarding Nylander specifically since that was your proposal, you're going to have to work hard to convince me that Nylander at $7-ish million would better position this team to win than paying Pietrangelo $8-ish million (or even $9-ish million).
The bolded is a great example of a false dilemma. There's absolutely nothing mutually exclusive about having success in the playoffs and re-signing Pietrangelo.I'm of the opinion that it's not enough just to be competitive. If your goal as an organization is to make the playoffs and get ousted in the 1st or 2nd round, then by all means, re-up AP
Personally, I think if you're not a legit contender, you're better off rebuilding until you are
I never proposed a Pietrangelo for Nylander swap. I had asked what the poster would expect in return "above and beyond" Nylander
Meaning that given their respective ages and talent level, an AP for Nylander swap is about right value-wise, however, that's not to say the fit would be right from St. Louis' perspective
How is Nylander signing for 6.5 in STL but not in Toronto?
How is Nylander signing for 6.5 in STL but not in Toronto?
Only thing that needs to be said is why. Why would they answer that1st Trade Leafs
Pietrangelo, Alex 6.5
Schwartz, Jaden 5.35
Mikkola, Niko
Nylander, William Extends 6yrs 6.5m
Gardiner, Jake (Extends 4yrs 5.5 AAV)
1st rd pick '19
#2 Trade New Jersey
Schenn, Brayden 5.125 two yrs
Steen, Alexander 5.75 34 and 3 more yrs
Schmaltz, Jordan
2nd '19
Zacha, Pavel (undervalued)
Severson, Damon 4.16
1st rd pick 19 and 1st rd pick in 21
He was promised a string of Imo's commercials.How is Nylander signing for 6.5 in STL but not in Toronto?
Your not getting parayko. If the poster was a blues fan I apologize. Both these deals suck.Nylander for Parayko with some tweaks and you very much have my attention.
Yeah no thanks your not getting petro or parayko.I think St.Louis should try a new goaltender and coach first, however if they decide to go the rebuild route, here you go;
Nylander
Liljegren
Zaitsev
1st
for Pietrangelo and some kind of forward help, ideally at LW.
Leafs say no to 1
Blues say no to 2
How about:
Pietrangelo, J.Bo (50% retained) and Fabbri to Toronto for Kadri, Nylander and Gardiner (Do leafs add a 2nd?)
Steen, Allen, Kyrou and a 2nd for Panarin and Bobrovsky
Thomas and Perron for Pesce and Williams (STL needs to add here, but not sure what --- 2020 1st?)
Panarin/ROR/Tarasenko
Schwartz/Schenn/Nylander
Maroon/Kadri/Williams
Sanford/Barbashev/Soshnikov
Edmundson/Parayko
Gardiner/Pesce
Gunner/Schmaltz
Bobrovsky
Likely that they can resign both Bob and Panarin together; quite a few Russians in STL, and Panarin/Tarasenko are good friends. Blues lose Pietrangelo but add Gardiner and Pesce so their defensive group while worse is still solid; they add a true #1 goaltender and their offensive depth gets a lot better.
Toronto gets a #1RD, and a young (Ontario boy) winger to replace Nylander.
Carolina gets offensive help, and a young C who has a TON of promise to further develop their under 24 offensive corps.
Columbus gets stop-gap replacements for Panarin and Bob in Steen and Allen, and also get a blue chip prospect and a pick.