Bergevin's personnel moves
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Scintillating10
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You quick to mention when fans were wrong but never mention when they were right. Like signing Tom Gibert or Briere, or Deshairnais extension. Always going to be difference in opinion. Bergevin has made his share of mistakes, how come the Habs fans aren't allowed any?
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OneSharpMarble
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Almost all of his moves are 3rd/4th line guys which have been nice but he is living off the players already here. He did bring in his own management but according to most here Therrien is the devil incarnate and the PP has been downright horrible.
I guess we are in a revisionist history mood so I will just go with it.
"I believe in Marc"
I guess we are in a revisionist history mood so I will just go with it.
"I believe in Marc"
AntonCH
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I must agree
Some around here have memory issues, or refuse to be patient
The guy hasn't played 20 games with us yet and he's a bust?
Take a look at Chara's history with the Bruins and how much they loved him when he was first signed - his first year was brutal
You are already hanging Gilbert out to dry 18 games into his Habs stint? Come on! Actually watch him play instead of being a sheep. Gilbert had made more good passes in 18 games than "rim it along the boards "Gorges did all of last season.
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Most GMs do that to some extent. We had top-line players at wing, D, and in net when he arrived and he's doing a pretty good job of setting up a solid supporting cast for them.
We really just need a #1C and maybe one more top-6 winger, although if Sekac keeps improving we might not even need that.
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Oh please "Great Oracle" do tell us what you would have him do so he could ascend to OSM levels of greatness.
Easy to say what you just did but its rhetoric, you didnt back it up with anything.
Last year he went out and got Vanek - people were shocked and some were awed. perfect 3/4 line guy?
Not sure what you're looking for or expect but let's harken back to a trade made between two clubs decades ago where Iginla was dealt for Niewendyk. The trigger was pulled on the trade because the Stars were on the cusp and needed that one piece to put them over the top.
Are we there yet?
Bergevin is showing Pollackesque flashes of brilliance (Vanek) to go along with some mistakes he's made. Thankfully the mistakes have not been epic or franchise damaging.
Your comments seem unfounded at best
groovejuice
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MB would be Pollackesque if he traded Prust to the Sabres for their first rounder, and then traded DD to the Oilers to ensure they don't pick first overall.
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I think he was in Welcome Back Kotter.
Lol
I swear man !
I was gonna post the same silly joke.
AntonCH
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Would you have preferred i said modern day pollackesque?
Those were different times - everyone's caught up, so in my humble opinion the Vanek trade at the deadline is up there adjusting for GM experience and IQ
Meh, Gilbert and Gorges are completely different d-men. Not a good comparison. I liked Gorges, I think his contributions were undervalued by many fans. At the same time, I like Gilbert, I think his contributions have also been undervalued by fans. Yeah, he makes some errors when passing or moving the puck, but I find he's solid positionally and reads the play well.
Count me in as one of the guys who didn't like the Diaz trade at the time. Like Gilbert and Gorges, I thought Diaz was way too severely criticized here and was a good bottom pairing guy. He didn't hurt the team in the slightest, especially when you compare him to the way Boullion and Murray did.
Outside of the three duds of the 2013 summer, MB has been pretty amazing. That being said, he inherited a pretty great core and the free buyouts of Kaberle and Gomez didn't really force him to make tough decisions with the cap, at least not in the same way the cap has forced Chicago and Boston to make some tough decisions.. He's done a great job as surrounding the core with good depth. He's made a few mistakes, but he's done a great job at fixing them...though hopefully, the habs get a more permanent option for a top 6 RW: Cole, PAP, Ryder, Briere.
My beef with Gilbert is that he seems to hear footsteps and will give the puck away. True he is a better passer than Gorges but he was brought in as more of a PP specialist so he should be better.
He still looks like he loses his man in front of the net too often but maybe I'm just noticing him more than the others because I am watching him closer.
We can all be guilty of focusing on the negatives in player's game without acknowledging his strengths. All in all, I am not terribly disappointed with Gilbert but if an upgrade became available, I wouldn't be disappointed with that either.
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Since the first season (where he made moves that didn't make a whole lot of sense) I think Bergevin's been a good GM.
The Gonchar move is still a headscratcher for me but he's looked good in the two games we've had him. MB's corrected mistakes he made via a good trade for PAP and letting Cube and Murray go. The Vanek trade was great and so was getting Sekac. Wasn't happy with how the Subban negotiations went but that's water under the... bridge.
Like most GMs there's some good and some bad. For the most part I think he's done a good job. The only real sticking point I have with him right now is having MT as our coach and the fact that DD is on our roster. Other than that, he's moved a lot of dead wood and made some good moves along the way. He hasn't been here for very long so it's still a little early to deem him as a good or bad GM, but I like what I've seen for the most part so far. He's done a good job.
The Gonchar move is still a headscratcher for me but he's looked good in the two games we've had him. MB's corrected mistakes he made via a good trade for PAP and letting Cube and Murray go. The Vanek trade was great and so was getting Sekac. Wasn't happy with how the Subban negotiations went but that's water under the... bridge.
Like most GMs there's some good and some bad. For the most part I think he's done a good job. The only real sticking point I have with him right now is having MT as our coach and the fact that DD is on our roster. Other than that, he's moved a lot of dead wood and made some good moves along the way. He hasn't been here for very long so it's still a little early to deem him as a good or bad GM, but I like what I've seen for the most part so far. He's done a good job.
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I'd rather a guy call it like he sees it when it happens rather than BS us by straddling the fence and then saying he was "right" about something all along. If you don't agree with a move, I respect a poster a whole lot more for coming out with a definitive opinion on it than someone who doesn't.
I didn't like the Gonchar move. In the two games we've seen him play, he's looked better than I expected. And if he continues to play like this I'll be happy to say I was wrong on that one. Only thing that continues to bother me with that move though is seeing Beaulieu with so little icetime. Again though, that's not really Gonchar's fault... it's the coach's decision.
MB is like most GMs... some good, some bad. What I like about him though is that he seems to have gotten the bad out of the way when he first took over and has been mostly good since. The moves that have really impressed were the Sekac and Vanek moves. In both cases he was competing against a lot of GMs and came out on top. That's impressive.
D.D extension isnt a mistake . 3.5 for a 45-60 pts is the norm. NOt sure in which world you live in but you should open your eyes, dude.
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How about 76 for 25?
I love this board. When we're on top, Bergevin is the best. When we're not, he's the worst. Same old HF lol
groovejuice
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I think PAP was a top two line move.
I give MB a pass on his first year because I think he was aiming for a serious tank. He picked up weak players and hired a coach who normally makes his team worse. And I get the impression he understands the stats, advanced and otherwise; he went from picking up the worst hockey players who brought physicality and good nicknames and mustaches to picking up good hockey players who are undervalued because they don't look good. He has adjusted with the team's performance. I think MT is going to be an albatross, though, as he can't justify ditching him but, based on past performance, a different coach could probably get a lot more out of the team.
Winning in the regular season isn't everything. Teams have to improve so that they have the best chance to win games. The 10 game winning streak last year when they were playing like crap was not helpful. Similarly this year they are scraping out games in spite of the tactics they use. Winning in spite of the flaws justifies the dump and chase and other strategies that don't really suit the team. You have to watch the team and look at things other than the score (advanced stats are an option though there is still a way to go) to decide what the best system is.
I get the impression that some of the moves lately are to prevent MT from playing guys. Insist on playing Bourque over Sekac? Bourque is now in the AHL. Play Moen over better options? He's in Dallas, good luck putting him in the lineup.
Now he just has to work on getting MT to stop overplaying the geezers. Gonchar has been fine so far but he'll need a rest soon, like the other old guys on D.
I give MB a pass on his first year because I think he was aiming for a serious tank. He picked up weak players and hired a coach who normally makes his team worse. And I get the impression he understands the stats, advanced and otherwise; he went from picking up the worst hockey players who brought physicality and good nicknames and mustaches to picking up good hockey players who are undervalued because they don't look good. He has adjusted with the team's performance. I think MT is going to be an albatross, though, as he can't justify ditching him but, based on past performance, a different coach could probably get a lot more out of the team.
Winning in the regular season isn't everything. Teams have to improve so that they have the best chance to win games. The 10 game winning streak last year when they were playing like crap was not helpful. Similarly this year they are scraping out games in spite of the tactics they use. Winning in spite of the flaws justifies the dump and chase and other strategies that don't really suit the team. You have to watch the team and look at things other than the score (advanced stats are an option though there is still a way to go) to decide what the best system is.
I get the impression that some of the moves lately are to prevent MT from playing guys. Insist on playing Bourque over Sekac? Bourque is now in the AHL. Play Moen over better options? He's in Dallas, good luck putting him in the lineup.
Now he just has to work on getting MT to stop overplaying the geezers. Gonchar has been fine so far but he'll need a rest soon, like the other old guys on D.
they were saying he was the next markov
and at the time it wasn't actually a bad trade
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I like that the SB Nation Habs blog pretty much staked their entire reputation on the Diaz trade being bad for the Habs. You could tell whenever they post about Weise doing well, they hate themselves.
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Why bother? You have already made up your mind and any move he makes or made is " incredible". Just saint him already.
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