TSN: Belief is Canucks offered pick #7 for Noah Hanifin (unknown if it was a package)

[krutovsdonut]

hard to believe but what the heck. let's jump in the pool.

hanafin to canucks
something and hutton to buffalo
ror to canes?

i just can't see the upside to canucks moving their 7oa though

and i don't see either of those teams being interested in 7oa. but maybe for a specific player...

how about

hanafin to canucks
sutter and hutton to buffalo
ror to canes

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

Hanifin is 21 years old. Is that really "cutting corners" if you move a 1st round pick for him?

I'll put it this way, ever since Benning has gotten here he has a tendency to trade away picks for attempts to close the "age gap" between the prospects and veterans. This has driven the majority of us on HF Canucks bonkers and we(most of us) view the large majority of his trades as bad. We don't have a whole lot of faith in the process scouting and what they'd probably expect Hanifin to become.

We(again a majority) don't want to see Benning trade for a Dman with that draft pick let alone what else might be involved. Just stick the course and rebuild through the draft.

 

[HoseEmDown]

You’re over complicating it

Well I don't see Hanafin for 7th straight up as fair so things would need to be added to balance it out.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

how about

hanafin to canucks
sutter and hutton to buffalo
ror to canes

Buffalo isn't trading ROR for only Sutter and Hutton. Canucks aren't getting Hanifin by only giving up Sutter and Hutton. Not a chance this happens.

 

[Lenerdosy]

Why would we want Hutton?

I think it would be we need to dump a D at some point so Hutton would just be a toss in, keep him as depth pretty much.

What is Hannifins honest ceiling as an all around D? I know he potentially could put up some good offensive numbers but whats he like in his own end? I've heard some hockey experts who feel he can be a #2 with good offensive skills but I have also heard some guys feel he isn't going to jump much more and will be more like a #4 with offensive specialties (PP, offensive zone starts, etc.). I don't watch nearly enough Hurricane games to make my own judgement of him myself.

 

[Unsustainable]

Let’s get crazy

Hanifin + Darling for 7th + Sutter + Hutton

 

[krutovsdonut]

Buffalo isn't trading ROR for only Sutter and Hutton. Canucks aren't getting Hanifin by only giving up Sutter and Hutton. Not a chance this happens.

well if we apply logic, the canucks aren't trading 7oa for hanifin either, and the canes should not be looking for a second top ten draft pick this year at this stage in their cycle while sitting on 2oa. yet here we are in a thread discussing it.

logic and track record says dudley is looking to add a developed cornerstone piece to make satetement, and most logically a starter.

logic says buffalo has to move ror for chemistry reasons but basically needs the same kind of character player back, not a prospect a couple of years out.

logic is apparently our enemy.

 

[tarheelhockey]

When the Islanders won in 2000, they traded back to their original 5th overall spot to draft Raffi Torres.

 

[krutovsdonut]

so 2oa and hanafin for 7oa and ?

that could be fun.

 

[Chan790]

so 2oa and hanafin for 7oa and ?

that could be fun.

From Vancouver? Horvat or Boeser.

 

[firstemperor]

It's a fine trade if Kotkianiemi/Dobson is still on the board by my books. Both have a bit of boom as projects with a similar ceiling to Hanifin (at a more premium position perhaps, and without some lapses of inadequacy in the post-draft years thereafter- bit of a gamble either way).

Otherwise, doesn't make much sense for Carolina, IMO. Hanifin was part of a better draft class by a fair amount.....and has the tools to match any of the prospects in that range ceiling-wise-save perhaps Dobson, Kotkianiemi, IMO.

 

[StreetHawk]

Seriously, get out here with that crap. The team is NOT moving. Dundon is locked in for the next 7 years regardless, so he’d have be be realllllllly patient were there any merit to that baseless speculation.

Sure, the mgmt team in CAR is unorthodox, but the last thing to worry about is the team moving any time soon.

My point was that moving an asset like hanifin should be a hockey move, ala Jones for johansen. Seems insane for Carolina to be entertaining a high pick in the draft for him. That’s an illogical hockey move. Canes either get a quality C for him or they hold onto him in the hopes to develops like warenski has.

I do hope for canes fans sake that dundon wants to make hockey moves and isn’t just going to skimp to just get to the cap floor. At $80 ceiling floor is what like $64 million? Money shouldn’t be a reason to move hanifin.

 

[WHISTLERNATE]

As a Canucks fan, I'd trade the 7th for Hanifin for sure. Really he is what we would hope that Dobson or Bouchard are at 21. I feel he will be a legit top pairing Dman in a few years, and he fits perfect with our new developing core. I don't see how Carolina does this deal though, and I think it will depend what the + is. I am assuming that Carolina will want Virtanen included, and there is now way that I would do that.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I think it's very likely that Tkachuk is available at 7.... even 10. He doesn't have the hands/skill level to be that high of a pick. He's riding a lot on his physical ability and his name....

Can't imagine Carolina trading Hanifin and not solving their gaping organizational need for a top line center.

Kotkaniemi is the goods.

This nonsense about Tkachuk's skill level or rather lack thereof has to stop.

 

[Strangelove]

I'll put it this way, ever since Benning has gotten here he has a tendency to trade away picks for attempts to close the "age gap" between the prospects and veterans.

And yet Jim Benning has taken led us from one of the worst prospect pools to one of the best.

This has driven the majority of us on HF Canucks bonkers and we(most of us) view the large majority of his trades as bad.

We (the minority) disagree with the last part of that sentence.

We (the minority) know that often the majority is wrong.

We don't have a whole lot of faith in the process scouting and what they'd probably expect Hanifin to become.

We (the minority) strongly disagree.

We(again a majority) don't want to see Benning trade for a Dman with that draft pick let alone what else might be involved.

We (again the minority) have mixed feelings about this.

BTW we (the minority of HF Canuck fans) are not the minority on other Canuck message boards.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

well if we apply logic, the canucks aren't trading 7oa for hanifin either, and the canes should not be looking for a second top ten draft pick this year at this stage in their cycle while sitting on 2oa. yet here we are in a thread discussing it.

Umm, the premise of this thread is a rumor" that the Canucks OFFERED the #7OA for Hanifin, so not sure why you say you are applying "logic" when you say they aren't trading the #7OA for Hanifin.

logic and track record says dudley is looking to add a developed cornerstone piece to make satetement, and most logically a starter.

logic says buffalo has to move ror for chemistry reasons but basically needs the same kind of character player back, not a prospect a couple of years out.

logic is apparently our enemy.

You forgot the Y. Logic is Your enemy. I tell you what. Go ask Buffalo fans or create a thread to see if they'd accept Hutton and Sutter for ROR. I doubt you find 1 Sabres fan, heck even 1 non-Canucks fan, that thinks it's even in the ball park. Deal? If you get even 1 Sabres fan, heck even 1 non-Canucks fan, to say it's a good deal, I'll eat crow. How about it?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

.....

 

[krutovsdonut]

Umm, the premise of this thread is a rumor" that the Canucks OFFERED the #7OA for Hanifin, so not sure why you say you are applying "logic" when you say they aren't trading the #7OA for Hanifin.

You forgot the Y. Logic is Your enemy. I tell you what. Go ask Buffalo fans or create a thread to see if they'd accept Hutton and Sutter for ROR. I doubt you find 1 Sabres fan, heck even 1 non-Canucks fan, that thinks it's even in the ball park. Deal? If you get even 1 Sabres fan, heck even 1 non-Canucks fan, to say it's a good deal, I'll eat crow. How about it?

really this discussion should not be happening. it does not make sense from the perspective of either team.

what is going on in cane land anyway? i see the ask for skinner is a first and a prospect. are you guys burning it down?

 

[Love]

Hanifin is pretty damn good... I'm someone who almost NEVER thinks top 10 picks should be traded, but this scenario has got me fascinated.

Just FYI, Hanifin was 1st among defenceman on the Canes in CF% at 55.92 (3rd overall on the team) and 1st among defenceman in Relative CF% (2.15, also 3rd overall on the team). He was ahead of Slavin in both those categories. Not saying he's better than Slavin, but he's 21 years old and showing a lot of really good signs.

 

[staalgood]

If Wahlstrom were available at 7, i might consider it. Then Carolina trades Skinner for a defenseman to play with Faulk. Svechnikov and Wahlstrom would take a little time to develop, but you replace Skinner's goal scoring plus some and hopefully the defenseman acquired is better in his own end than Hanifin.

Csrolina still has to solve the dumpster fire in goal.

 

[n00bxQb]

Let’s get crazy

Hanifin + Darling for 7th + Sutter + Hutton

No thanks

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

And yet Jim Benning has taken led us from one of the worst prospect pools to one of the best.



We (the minority) disagree with the last part of that sentence.

We (the minority) know that often the majority is wrong.



We (the minority) strongly disagree.



We (again the minority) have mixed feelings about this.

BTW we (the minority of HF Canuck fans) are not the minority on other Canuck message boards.

What does the Canucks drafting ability have to do with Bennings ability to make a trade ? Regardless the teams best draft since Benning arrived has been the 2017 draft the rest have been subpar. If you believe they can turn out more honeruns we shouldn't want to see them toss out picks.

You're entirely welcome to disagree with me and others, I'm just stating that a majority is on a certain side. If you want to support Bennings moves by all means go ahead, it's been beaten to death already.

 

[Strangelove]

What does the Canucks drafting ability have to do with Bennings ability to make a trade ?

Nothing.

Did I say otherwise?

Regardless the teams best draft since Benning arrived has been the 2017 draft the rest have been subpar.

Strongly disagree with the bolded.

How do you explain the great prospect pool?

If you believe they can turn out more honeruns we shouldn't want to see them toss out picks.

As I said, I have "mixed feelings" on the rumoured trade offer... Hanifin is a "honerun" (sic).

I'll reverse your question...

If you believe 3 of Canucks' last 4 drafts have been "subpar" then why not trade the 7th for a "honerun" (sic).

You're entirely welcome to disagree with me and others, I'm just stating that a majority is on a certain side.

And I'm just stating that the majority of Canuck fans at large disagrees with the majority of HF Canuck fans.

The term "echo chamber" springs to mind, you used the word "bonkers" not I...

 

[Ace]

how about

hanafin to canucks
sutter and hutton to buffalo
ror to canes

Why doesn’t Buffalo just add Dahlin, Mittelstadt and Eichel to go all the way with this assault

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

so 2oa and hanafin for 7oa and ?

that could be fun.

From Vancouver? Horvat or Boeser.

2OA + Hanifin
for
7OA + Horvat + Boeser

There. That's better.