TSN: Belief is Canucks offered pick #7 for Noah Hanifin (unknown if it was a package)

[BB88]

They also have to pay Hanifin, and soon Aho. No one knows what Dundon is willing to spend. Also, new regimes can lead to dramatic changes.

Their projected cap hit right now is 47.6M.
The cap max will be somewhere in the 80M next season and 80M+ the year after.

Williams 4.5M money can be given to Aho+ some.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Not going to quote all three of you.

Even if they want a forward at 7, they should be able to fetch a Sergachev-type return for Hanifin.

This type of move just seems like it would prolong the rebuild, rather than accelerate it.

 

[Jame]

Possible because Finn, but have a sneaking suspicion that we want Tkachuk and he's the player it would be contingent on (unlikely he slips to #7 tho).

I think it's very likely that Tkachuk is available at 7.... even 10. He doesn't have the hands/skill level to be that high of a pick. He's riding a lot on his physical ability and his name....

Can't imagine Carolina trading Hanifin and not solving their gaping organizational need for a top line center.

Kotkaniemi is the goods.

 

[Soundgarden]

Don't really see the point for Carolina.

They pick Hanifin at 5 and spent few years developing him just to trade him to 7th on a weaker draft.

Exactly what I was thinking. A package might make sense though.

 

[Negan4Coach]

If Tkachuk falls to 7th and Hutton is involved, I can see it.

I think I could support it for Tkachuck +

 

[BB88]

Not going to quote all three of you.

Even if they want a forward at 7, they should be able to fetch a Sergachev-type return for Hanifin.

This type of move just seems like it would prolong the rebuild, rather than accelerate it.

Yep, they should be able to get a ready NHL player for Hanifin.

 

[tarheelhockey]

 

[Brodeur]

Don't really see the point for Carolina.

They pick Hanifin at 5 and spent few years developing him just to trade him to 7th on a weaker draft.

I would have thought the same with Tampa and Drouin, albeit there was a different dynamic there. It was more cap related, but Boston traded Dougie Hamilton seemingly for an underwhelming package of picks.

I suppose there's the component of Hanifin being in line for a substantial long term contract (rather than a bridge deal) and Carolina's management/ownership isn't quite ready to shell out the dollars to him.

And it's possible that they really liked somebody at their original spot (#11) before the lottery. The Devils won the lottery last year to move from #5 to #1 and our head scout seemingly went out of his way to name drop Cody Glass, almost as if he wanted to implicitly let us know who we would have taken had we stayed put. When the Islanders won in 2000, they traded back to their original 5th overall spot to draft Raffi Torres.

 

[93LEAFS]

Their projected cap hit right now is 47.6M.
The cap max will be somewhere in the 80M next season and 80M+ the year after.

Williams 4.5M money can be given to Aho+ some.

Considering the basic aspects of running an NHL team Dundon is believed to be cutting expenses on (pushing video scouting, not offering competitive salaries league-wide for management), Carolina may be running a cap floor type team, potentially with inflated deals (guys on the back-end of deals having a cap-hit higher than they actually make).

You also can't really look at prior draft position when it is an entirely new front office and ownership group. The fact he was a 5th overall pick in a better draft by a different management group probably means very little to them.

 

[justafan22]

Kinda hilarious how subban for karlsson as a trade is buried amongst the hanifin news.

 

[BB88]

I would have thought the same with Tampa and Drouin, albeit there was a different dynamic there. It was more cap related, but Boston traded Dougie Hamilton seemingly for an underwhelming package of picks.

I suppose there's the component of Hanifin being in line for a substantial long term contract (rather than a bridge deal) and Carolina's management/ownership isn't quite ready to shell out the dollars to him.

And it's possible that they really liked somebody at their original spot (#11) before the lottery. The Devils won the lottery last year to move from #5 to #1 and our head scout seemingly went out of his way to name drop Cody Glass, almost as if he wanted to implicitly let us know who we would have taken had we stayed put. When the Islanders won in 2000, they traded back to their original 5th overall spot to draft Raffi Torres.

Hamilton didn't sign with Boston, Boston went re-tooling.
Tampa addressed a potential weakness with that Drouin trade, they had one of the best offenses in the league but life after Hedman longterm wasn't as good looking as the F's in comparison, and they got a NHL ready prospect back.

Carolina needs to take the next step, they are not a team who has issues with cap hit, they aren't a team that needs to re-tool. They are a team with young core, could/should be an elite core with Svec with plenty of cap space and depth at u25 group.
Trading Hanifin for a pick leaves them at the same stage as they are today, in Svec, out Hanifin.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Coming out of this draft with Svechnikov and Kotkaniemi.... seems like motivation enough to me (given their D depth).

I guess a prospect being there that they’re enamored with is a possibility, but that’s a big shift in organizational philosophy to make in that situation.

Hanifin’s potential is a clear step above than of Fleury and Bean. Forward is not as big of a long-term need as it was 2 months ago; the Canes now have Svechnikov (RW) to go along with Teravainen (RW), Aho (LW/C) and Necas (C).

 

[BB88]

Considering the basic aspects of running an NHL team Dundon is believed to be cutting expenses on (pushing video scouting, not offering competitive salaries league-wide for management), Carolina may be running a cap floor type team, potentially with inflated deals (guys on the back-end of deals having a cap-hit higher than they actually make).

You also can't really look at prior draft position when it is an entirely new front office and ownership group. The fact he was a 5th overall pick in a better draft by a different management group probably means very little to them.

It should mean something to them.
Carolina can't keep being the team they have been, at some point they have to take the next step.
I may remember wrong but before the sell was official there were articles/quotes on Dundon wanting fast results and them having just Aho off the table for trades, but not for picks, for upgrades.


They don't have to go for the max, they have 33M room for that likely today, Hanifin takes a 5M from that, leaving them at 52M and 27-28M cap space.
Even if they think that's too much for them I don't know why they couldn't move him for a player who's NHL ready.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Don't really see the point for Carolina.

They pick Hanifin at 5 and spent few years developing him just to trade him to 7th on a weaker draft.

This is where the conversation ends AFAIC.

The only way such a trade would make ANY sense would be if there was a guy left at #7 who the Canes seriously thought could be a #1 center, and were so confident in that evaluation that they would be willing to throw out a blue-chip asset to get him.

Otherwise, we are at a point with both our wings and our bottom-9 centers, to say nothing of the defense, that there's nothing in the draft that could significantly move us forward. If we get insanely lucky, we pick up a winger at #7 who's a little better than Aho or Skinner or Teravainen or Svechnnikov, or a checking center who's a little better than Staal or Lindholm. In that unlikely scenario, the prospect is now cutting those players' icetime and we are more or less where we started.

So it only makes sense for a center who is seriously the real deal beyond any doubt, and this draft has no centers like that. So it... doesn't make sense.

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

I guess if you're Benning why keep throwing away second round picks when you can throw away a first rounder. I really don't want to see us trade away this pick, just keep the dang thing and add on the prospect pool.

For the sake of many Canucks fans sanity stop cutting corners please..

 

[Brodeur]

Carolina needs to take the next step, they are not a team who has issues with cap hit, they aren't a team that needs to re-tool. They are a team with young core, could/should be an elite core with Svec with plenty of cap space and depth at u25 group.

Trading Hanifin for a pick leaves them at the same stage as they are today, in Svec, out Hanifin.

I certainly don't disagree with your assessment. If it were me, I'd happily keep Hanifin too (or would target a proven NHL piece in return).

But you never know when there's a new management/ownership group in place.

 

[BB88]

This is where the conversation ends AFAIC.

The only way such a trade would make ANY sense would be if there was a guy left at #7 who the Canes seriously thought could be a #1 center, and were so confident in that evaluation that they would be willing to throw out a blue-chip asset to get him.

Otherwise, we are at a point with both our wings and our bottom-9 centers, to say nothing of the defense, that there's nothing in the draft that could significantly move us forward. If we get insanely lucky, we pick up a winger at #7 who's a little better than Aho or Skinner or Teravainen or Svechnnikov, or a checking center who's a little better than Staal or Lindholm. In that unlikely scenario, the prospect is now cutting those players' icetime and we are more or less where we started.

So it only makes sense for a center who is seriously the real deal beyond any doubt, and this draft has no centers like that. So it... doesn't make sense.

Montreal at 3 is a real threat to take the only C with that upside from this draft, then Hawks/Detroit possess a threat, maybe even Arizona before Vancouvers 7th.

Hanifin would give Vancouver a nice looking core with Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat, Juolevi,(Hanifin). Considering they likely won't be contenders next year they'd be adding on that soon and could be out of the bottom quick.

 

[Brock Anton]

I guess if you're Benning why keep throwing away second round picks when you can throw away a first rounder. I really don't want to see us trade away this pick, just keep the dang thing and add on the prospect pool.

For the sake of many Canucks fans sanity stop cutting corners please..

Hanifin is 21 years old. Is that really "cutting corners" if you move a 1st round pick for him?

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

they could have fallen in love with a guy in the 10-12 range they presumed would be their pick before the draft lottery.

Kotkaniemi is a guess, late riser, center, a Finn- but there's truly no way to tell.

That said, if this is true there's something going on, it makes no sense to trade a 21 year old for an 18 year old.

 

[krutovsdonut]

hard to believe but what the heck. let's jump in the pool.

hanafin to canucks
something and hutton to buffalo
ror to canes?

i just can't see the upside to canucks moving their 7oa though

and i don't see either of those teams being interested in 7oa. but maybe for a specific player...

 

[StreetHawk]

Hanifin is 21 years old. Is that really "cutting corners" if you move a 1st round pick for him?

Only if it costs more than #7. Plus his history of taking high picks from other teams is just ok. Sven has just been ok for that 2nd rounder whom Calgary turned into Anderson. Pouliot for a 4th is a swing with meh results. Clemdenninga former 2nd rounder was acquir d for forsling.

Plus there’s the contract. Want to lock him up long term so rolling the dice on whether he becomes as good as warenski.

Again, don’t see this making sense from a pure hockey deal POV for Carolina. Feel bad for the canes fans if dundon is the kind of owner who just wants to get to ththe floor like AZ has done for years. Is finding just biding his time in Carolina so that he can move to Houston by selling an interest in the team to Fertitta to get into a more lucrative market?

 

[HoseEmDown]

Hanafin + Rask + Saarela for 7th + Virtanen + Sutter (20% retained)?

For Carolina they can grab Tkachuk if he falls to 7 they would add 3 good sized forwards to their lineup for next season. Allows them to move Skinner easier too as the forward group won't be as hurt with his loss. Sutter with retention saves them money on the 4C spot. Vancouver gets a top pair LD, younger higher potential bottom 6C and Saarela looks like he could have bottom 6 potential.

 

[canuckster19]

I guess if you're Benning why keep throwing away second round picks when you can throw away a first rounder. I really don't want to see us trade away this pick, just keep the dang thing and add on the prospect pool.

For the sake of many Canucks fans sanity stop cutting corners please..

No, it makes a lot of sense, because we are running the risk of becoming the Edmonton Oilers of 3-4 years ago, having a good amount quality forward prospects with little to nothing to show on D. We need a D that's going to mature the same time as our forward group, IMO, there's no cutting corners getting Hanifin, it means getting our D pool up to speed with our F. There is some truth in saying that D takes longer to develop, and if that's the case our new generation of forwards is going to have to score a lot of goals, or Demko is going to have to be Roy 2.0 or something to make up the deficit we will end up having on D.

 

[spockBokk]

just biding his time in Carolina so that he can move to Houston by selling an interest in the team to Fertitta to get into a more lucrative market?

Seriously, get out here with that crap. The team is NOT moving. Dundon is locked in for the next 7 years regardless, so he’d have be be realllllllly patient were there any merit to that baseless speculation.

Sure, the mgmt team in CAR is unorthodox, but the last thing to worry about is the team moving any time soon.

 

[elitepete]

Hanafin + Rask + Saarela for 7th + Virtanen + Sutter (20% retained)?

For Carolina they can grab Tkachuk if he falls to 7 they would add 3 good sized forwards to their lineup for next season. Allows them to move Skinner easier too as the forward group won't be as hurt with his loss. Sutter with retention saves them money on the 4C spot. Vancouver gets a top pair LD, younger higher potential bottom 6C and Saarela looks like he could have bottom 6 potential.

You’re over complicating it