Barzal vs. Matthews

[LordNeverLose]

Matthews is also the kid who won the Calder though

I think JT knows' Matthews' name though

 

[NextYear67]

What if Trotz at some point calls Barzal generational? Will you change your vote to reflect Trotz's most recent analysis of who's generational and who isn't?

Yes. But only "if"

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Yep and that I agree with him

Me too. The generations keep getting shorter and shorter. Currently a generation is about 2 years. But since Matthews is American that’s 1.5 American years based on the Canada-US current generation conversion rate.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Yes. But only "if"

What a wild way to compare players. Barry Trotz's use of a loosely defined term.

 

[wabagee]

Why would anyone in there right mind call Matthews a generational player? He never had the hype, generational players usually get the name way before they enter the league not after. Matthews was never a prodigy and hasn’t done anything too prove otherwise. Most overrated player in the NHL!

 

[TIGERCOOL]

I don't know why so much energy needs to be wasted on this argument when we're going to have tangible results to draw from starting in October. Every theoretical argument against Barzal repeating his performance that concerns being sheltered, QoC, and opposition adjustment is about to become a reality thanks to the Tavares trade. Let's see how the kid does.

See you all in 5-6 months.

 

[NextYear67]

Why would anyone in there right mind call Matthews a generational player? He never had the hype, generational players usually get the name way before they enter the league not after. Matthews was never a prodigy and hasn’t done anything too prove otherwise. Most overrated player in the NHL!

You know more though

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Barzal though

I have high standards. I’d like to see a ‘generational’ player break 90 points and win a couple of Hart’s.
But hey to each his own!

 

[LordNeverLose]

I don't know why so much energy needs to be wasted on this argument when we're going to have tangible results to draw from starting in October. Every theoretical argument against Barzal repeating his performance that concerns being sheltered, QoC, and opposition adjustment is about to become a reality thanks to the Tavares trade. Let's see how the kid does.

See you all in 5-6 months.

But if Matthews' does actually outproduce Barzal, we can say it's because JT is on his team, right?

 

[wabagee]

You know more though

I agree that he thinks in slow motion.

 

[6 Karlsson 5]

I never argued that Barzal didnt drive the play for his line. He does that very well, I would simply like to see him do it for an entire season playing against the toughest defenders. As for Matthews, I don’t need to point out that he’s one of the best 5vs5 player at generating offense. Barzal and AM both drive play on their line, they just do it very differently

OMG, this idea, or line of thinking, needs to die
All at ES:
Matthews' QoCTOI 29.83
Mattews' QoCCF% 49.96

Barzal's QoCTOI 29.1
Barzal's QoCCF% 50.02

Much difference

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I don't know why so much energy needs to be wasted on this argument when we're going to have tangible results to draw from starting in October. Every theoretical argument against Barzal repeating his performance that concerns being sheltered, QoC, and opposition adjustment is about to become a reality thanks to the Tavares trade. Let's see how the kid does.

See you all in 5-6 months.

Last year people said let’s see Barzal do this for a whole year. Now it’s let see him do it for two years. After he does it next year it will be let’s see him do it for three years like Matthews.
The goal posts keep getting moved. Many Leaf fans proclaimed Matthews a star after his first game. Most fans of other teams had no problem saying Matthews was a star after his first season. Why not treat Barzal the same way. He just had an historic rookie season like Matthews. Why the different standards? It’s not like admitting Barzal is a star diminishes Matthews in any way.

 

[NextYear67]

Last year people said let’s see Barzal do this for a whole year. Now it’s let see him do it for two years. After he does it next year it will be let’s see him do it for three years like Matthews.
The goal posts keep getting moved. Many Leaf fans proclaimed Matthews a star after his first game. Most fans of other teams had no problem saying Matthews was a star after his first season. Why not treat Barzal the same way. He just had an historic rookie season like Matthews. Why the different standards? It’s not like admitting Barzal is a star diminishes Matthews in any way.

The people saying Barzal isn't a star are flat out wrong

 

[Holymakinaw]

The people saying Barzal isn't a star are flat out wrong

Of course he's a star. Barzal is fantastic. Any kid who scores more than 80 points in his rookie season, is a budding SUPERSTAR.

Should be fun to watch both of them, going forward.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Matthews because he's likely to win championships with what he's got around him

Barzal will need A LOT of help to win

 

[teleman]

Hard for me to say who'll be the better center... But since I've never used the acronym here before AINEC

 

[The Moose is Loose]

Matthews and I don't see how this is even close. Sizable gap in defensive play between the 2.

 

[LordNeverLose]

Matthews because he's likely to win championships with what he's got around him

Barzal will need A LOT of help to win

Toews > Ovechkin CUZ CUPS

 

[LordNeverLose]

Matthews and I don't see how this is even close. Sizable gap in defensive play between the 2.

Anything to back this up than a narrative pushed by some people?

Because basically all the defensive metrics point to them being roughly equal (and actually even most of the fancystats say Barzal is better defensively)

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Matthews and I don't see how this is even close. Sizable gap in defensive play between the 2.

Based on?

 

[QJL]

Im not a Leafs fan. Definitely Matthews. Barzal is a better playmaker and that’s about it. Matthews is a physical beast in all 3 zones, a better goal scorer and a better defender. Give me the animal who will won the Leafs cups.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

This would be a blowout if Matthews wasn’t on the leafs.

I voted Matthews, but I expected this by-now legendary "Everybody Hates Us" post.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

I voted Matthews, but I expected this by-now legendary "Everybody Hates Us" post.

I don’t think they are actually a Leaf fan though.. So not I’m sure how that would apply here?

 

[McFlyingV]

Based on?

A false narrative more than likely. I've heard the same false narrative more times than I can count in Matthews-McDavid comparisons.

 

[Rhaegar Targaryen]

Matthews is not generational. Very good? Yes. But generational, at least to me, is the type of player who only comes around once in a generation. A guy like Crosby, a guy like McDavid, a guy like Karlsson.