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I love when you post this against other posters, definition of irony. And Westcoast Orca right after you, you can't make this shit up lol.Dude, you could literally have a poll with Kadri vs McDavid and you would still vote for the Leaf.
You're one of the last people who should be complaining about polls, you're not alone either.
If I were the leafs GM I would never trade Matthews for Barkov. So my answer is Matthews.
Was I speaking to you?I love when you post this against other posters, definition of irony. And Westcoast Orca right after you, you can't make this **** up lol.
Barkov is the obvious choice here. Could change in a year though but let’s see first.
He got Selke votes in his rookie season. Not many maybe, but he did get some.
I feel like people are overstating how close Matthews and Barkov are offensively. Barkov is clearly better defensively right now. Matthews is also clearly better offensively, but that doesn't seem to be the prevailing opinion here.
Two votes. That's nothing and I'm quite sure by some Leafs glassed writers. Which none of them did anymore this season since the votes were made public. If he truly was so good at it, he would get votes.
Going by that route, even Jori Lehterä has selke votes...
We agree. Barkov is clearly better than Matthews defensively. Much better. The poll results are spot on.
As most have voted for Barkov here, I too will also take the proven 78 points center over the 69 points center at this time of the poll. As with most polls they are a snapshot in time. At this time it is Barkov right now.
Here is a snapshot in time.
It shows the difference between a very good offensive player and an elite one.
Right now 78 points is better than 69 pts. And as you said Barkov is a much better defensive player than Matthews. I 100% agree with you there. The poll is correct. Barkov>Matthews.
The next snapshot is your guess as good as mine.
Nah, my guess will be better than yours if you solely judge offensive ability by total points and ignore games played and so many other factors.
Barkov has never played 82 games in a season. Your guess seems to somewhat tunnel visioned if you are putting all your eggs into to a pace discussion and not an actual points discussion. It doesn't change the fact one player is a 78 pt center at this time, the other 69 point center. While we both agree Barkov is much better defensively than Matthews in this snapshot in time.
I hope this irony is not lost on you.
Anyways I've made my point. I am reasonable and admit that Barkov is better defensively. If only you could do the same on offense. At 5v5 last season:
Players who scored goals at a better rate: None
Players who scored points at a better rate: McDavid, MacKinnon
When the only players ahead of you are the Lindsay winner and a Hart finalist, you're doing pretty well.
You can keep up the ruse that Barkov is better offensively if you want. That opinion will age very poorly over time.
We agreed that Barkov is a much better defensive player than Matthews is. You said Matthews is the much better offensive player than Barkov is. I noted Not in actual points. Barkov 78 in 79 games to Matthews 69 career tops if you want to add 2 points in the playoffs in 7 games last season, then 65 in 69 games last season. At this point as most people agree in this poll Barkov is better than Matthews. Its too bad you are upset with this. But this is the current snap shot.
The next snap shot may be different. This is obvious. But it isn't the snapshot as of right now.
I cited actual points. While you were concerned with what if projections. I am perfectly comfortable in saying a 78 pt center who you agreed is a much better defensive player trumps a 69 pt career high center or 65 points in 69 games, 2 pts in the playoffs included than your what if made up projections.I'm not upset. Simply amused at you calling me tunnel visioned while continuing to repeat their career highs in total points as your only argument.
I cited actual points. While you were concerned with what if projections. I am perfectly comfortable in saying a 78 pt center who you agreed is a much better defensive player trumps a 69 pt career high center or 65 points in 69 games, 2 pts in the playoffs included than your what if made up projections.
One more time, this is the current snapshot. This is what the OP is asking.
Cherry picked stats aside, both players produced at approximately a point per game pace last year, although Barkov did it in a larger sample size. Matthews had less ice time but Barkov’s minutes included PK time. Matthews also played on one of the top offensive teams.I hope this irony is not lost on you.
Anyways I've made my point. I am reasonable and admit that Barkov is better defensively. If only you could do the same on offense. At 5v5 last season:
Players who scored goals at a better rate: None
Players who scored points at a better rate: McDavid, MacKinnon
When the only players ahead of you are the Lindsay winner and a Hart finalist, you're doing pretty well.
You can keep up the ruse that Barkov is better offensively if you want. That opinion will age very poorly over time.
Cherry picked stats aside, both players produced at approximately a point per game pace last year, although Barkov did it in a larger sample size. Matthews had less ice time but Barkov’s minutes included PK time. Matthews also played on one of the top offensive teams.
So I think it’s fair to say that offensively they were both pretty close. You can make a case for either player depending on which stats you want to focus on.
Now if we’re talking projection, I’d agree that Matthews projects as the better offensive player. But as of right now they’re both pretty equal taking everything into account.