Backstrom + Kuznetsov vs. Tavares + Matthews

[Portable Mink]

Exactly.

And I don’t know what stats that guy is using. Backy has a 30 goal season.

Matthew very well may be better when all is said and done. But that’s not yet. And he would have to be a point per game player for a decade and then some, to surpass Backstroms complete game.

Kuzy like Matthews is just hitting his straps. He is now comfortable in NA and it’s showing.

Right now it’s Caps.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

you think Draisaitl is getting 70+ as the 2C away from mcdavid?

71 goals vs 67 goals in 16 less games last year btw

67 assists vs 64 points.

 

[CP4]

I'd take Backstrom+Kuznetsov over Matthews+Tavares in the playoffs any day.

 

[Haatley]

Both Capitals have broken 70 points.
Only one Leaf has.
There is your answer.

 

[DDRhockey]

leafs: 71g/76a/147pts in 144 games (1.02ppg)
caps: 48g/106a/154pts in 160 games (0.96ppg)

the only dou better than Matthews and Tavares are sid and geno

Playoffs:

Leafs: 2p
Caps: 55p

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

Playoffs it's the Washington duo.

 

[koyvoo]

Danault
Plekanec

 

[Hugh Mungus]

yeah but he only had 40g then. Kuznetsov had 83 pts this year! (exactly what matthews full season pace was, but AM would have had 18-20 more goals)

are caps fans gonna be the new pens fans?

Who knows, but one thing is certain neither come close to leafs fans, especially you

No offense

 

[Zero Requiem]

Winners >>>>> Losers

 

[BrendanGallagher11]

Kuznetsov>Tavares
Backstrom>Matthews

I may be the biggest leafs hater
But its

Tavares > kuz
Matthews >> backstrom

 

[bobholly39]

Toronto is better

But then again I'm very high on Tavares. I have him as a top 5c.

 

[trick9]

Wow, it took only one cup for Backstrom to go from criminally underrated to criminally overrated.

Yeah, it's not like he's easily outscoring everyone else in this thread career wise.

Player A:
GP: 669
Goals: 272
Assists: 349
Points : 621 (0.93 PPG)

Player B:
GP: 815
Goals: 209
Assists: 590
Points: 799 (0.98 PPG)

Player B is leaps and bounds better defensively.

I think the long-term look at these players favors Backstrom even more than the short-term one.

 

[Holymakinaw]

It's a close one. Flip a coin. I'll go with the Leaf duo based on goal-scoring.

 

[IPS]

They're all kind of on the same tier IMO.

Of the bunch:

Tavares is an all around player, 2 time Hart Finalist
Backstrom may be the best defender, sick passer
Kuz is the best skater, amazing passer
Matthews is the best goal scorer but has yet to put together a full season

Except when Matthews scored the most goals out of all 4 in his rookie season.

Matthews>>>Backstrom
Tavares>>>Kuznetsov

 

[Sam Spade]

Crosby/Malkin.

 

[IceBoxHockey]

Except when Matthews scored the most goals out of all 4 in his rookie season.

Matthews>>>Backstrom
Tavares>>>Kuznetsov

This is asinine. Did assists stop mattering now? And let’s not act like Backstrom isn’t the best defensively of the group either.

I take the Leafs duo, but they are close. Very close.

 

[justafan22]

Right now, it's the caps, but in the future, probably the leafs since Matthews is only 20

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

The one that just won the Cup

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

not all heroes wear capes.

as a token of gratitude how about Kadri for Weber @ 5.5 ?

NO BAD HALLA BAD.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

gotta love how after 13 years, Washington players are elite winners but the Leafs core hasn't won in two years so they suck in the playoffs

 

[Nervousbreakdown]

This is asinine. Did assists stop mattering now? And let’s not act like Backstrom isn’t the best defensively of the group either.

I take the Leafs duo, but they are close. Very close.

Its almost as if there is some correlation between assists and playing with the best goal scorer to ever play the game...

 

[Community]

Yeah, it's not like he's easily outscoring everyone else in this thread career wise.

Player A:
GP: 669
Goals: 272
Assists: 349
Points : 621 (0.93 PPG)

Player B:
GP: 815
Goals: 209
Assists: 590
Points: 799 (0.98 PPG)

Player B is leaps and bounds better defensively.

I think the long-term look at these players favors Backstrom even more than the short-term one.

I love Backstrom, but what does his career ppg have to do with how good he is now? His two best seasons point wise were 9/10 years ago. Also if we want to include ppg and look at the playoffs, JT has a better ppg than Backstrom. Career wise they have both been good players. I have always thought Backstrom was a bit underrated because of being overshadowed by OV, but the point remains that he has been lucky to play with OV (Yes, I know the few times OV was down with an injury Backstrom played great.... However, his career numbers are inflated because of OV).

Kuzy has had a very down and up career so far (on a season by season basis: ~40 then 80 then 60 then 80) and with the Leafs duo being younger, with a better ppg production last regular season, I take them moving forward.

 

[trick9]

I love Backstrom, but what does his career ppg have to do with how good he is now? His two best seasons point wise were 9/10 years ago. Also if we want to include ppg and look at the playoffs, JT has a better ppg than Backstrom. Career wise they have both been good players. I have always thought Backstrom was a bit underrated because of being overshadowed by OV, but the point remains that he has been lucky to play with OV (Yes, I know the few times OV was down with an injury Backstrom played great.... However, his career numbers are inflated because of OV).

Kuzy has had a very down and up career so far (on a season by season basis: ~40 then 80 then 60 then 80) and with the Leafs duo being younger, with a better ppg production last regular season, I take them moving forward.

Read the post that i quoted. It stated that Backstrom is only rated higher because of this Cup run when in reality he has been better career-wise too.

 

[SHANNYPLAN]

Tavares > Kuznetsov
Matthews > Backstrom

 

[Future]

Tavares > Backstrom
Matthews > Kuznetsov