Rumor: AVS Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents & Roster Moves (related topics)

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Well his best season was his rookie year, when he played wing, and Stastny fed him biscuits. So I don't know where this fear of having to pay him is. If he gets 100 points, and earns it. Great. We can afford it. You make room to pay great players. You don't need to underpay players to build good teams. You need good enough players. Don't blow your wad on a player hoping he becomes that player. Pay him the money he deserves when he shows that.

Agreed, with this.

But the best he ever played was the first ~30 games of this season as a Center, when the rest of the team was ******** the bed...

Yeah, not buying that narrative. The best we saw of Mack was the playoffs.

 

[twostroke27]

People seem to forget this. MacKinnon didn't sustain it, but it was for a solid third of the year and it was fantastic hockey. If MacKinnon comes out of the gate like that next year, then we're all going to really regret it if he's on a bridge deal.


And bohlmeister, I could not disagree more. How do you think you get guys like Josi, or Klingberg, on such brilliant contracts? This 'pay the player after they've fully proven themselves' mandate is antiquated. We could have had O'Reilly on this team for 5 million right now had the old management not been idiots about demanding a bridge deal.

Agreed. This isn't a player you bridge because it costs you millions. Is it a risk? Yes. But it's just as much a risk to bridge him.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I really say we risk it with Mackinnon. We've already lost one of the best centers in the league for this reason. Every cup team has a player on a good deal, and to get those good deals you have to take risks. Just go for it.

 

[tigervixxxen]

To me you bridge a player because you aren't sure about him and need the extra time. That's not about performance, it's about the commitment to have him in your organization. I don't think there's one person who doesn't think MacKinnon will be a key piece of this org in the future and who wouldn't want him on this roster for the next 7 years. Just sign him.

 

[hockeyfish]

Hey guys, just got back from work. Hate to be that guy, but can someone give me a rundown of todays Avs rumors beyond the small trade. Thanks.

 

[Avs44]

Aren't Sakic and Barrie's agent meeting tonight? Wonder what comes out of that. If things don't go well, I would not be at all surprised to see Barrie traded. I know what Sakic said, but at the same time, it sounded like posturing with Barrie. "If you don't sign long term, we'll go to arbitration where you'll be an RFA still when it's all said and done." And he specifically mentioned having the cap space in case of an offer-sheet on a player.

 

[Avs44]

Hey guys, just got back from work. Hate to be that guy, but can someone give me a rundown of todays Avs rumors beyond the small trade. Thanks.

Really nothing specific about the Avs. Subban talk flared up, but McKenzie said the Avs had talks with Montreal earlier but probably aren't in it anymore.

 

[xbestboybandever]

To me you bridge a player because you aren't sure about him and need the extra time. That's not about performance, it's about the commitment to have him in your organization. I don't think there's one person who doesn't think MacKinnon will be a key piece of this org in the future and who wouldn't want him on this roster for the next 7 years. Just sign him.

Who is to say that offer hasn't been made? It is a two-way street and Mack didn't have a great year. Maybe he thinks he has more to give and takes the bridge to ensure a bigger pay day in a year or two?

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

Sure, we all think he'll be a key figure for the avs but how big? Some see a 90-100 point player, I personally don't and I'm sure there are others who feel the same.

 

[member 116861]

If you can sign MacKinnon for $6M - $7M long term, you have to take it. Even if he doesn't live up to it, it isn't a big deal. If he doesn't live up to it, we aren't going anywhere (past the 1st round) anyway and would have to start the rebuild again. Cap space wouldn't matter at that point.

 

[Avs44]

Sure, we all think he'll be a key figure for the avs but how big? Some see a 90-100 point player, I personally don't and I'm sure there are others who feel the same.

If he's a 90-100 point player then he's going to be worth 10+ million, so I don't how that's relevant.

 

[xbestboybandever]

Really nothing specific about the Avs. Subban talk flared up, but McKenzie said the Avs had talks with Montreal earlier but probably aren't in it anymore.

I think the fact that the Blues are looking to trade Shattenkirk is pretty big for the Avs. Depending on the return, it would appear as though Colorado won that trade.

Stewart- Gone
Shattenkirk- About to be dealt

And we still have EJ at a pretty good contract.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Every time I try to add a top notch defender (even if it is one that has a value contract via trade like Fowler in lieu of overpaying a Demers-type) AND try to add a decent second-line scoring option to the forwards (in this case, not even talking about Radulov but just re-signing Boedker to a reasonable deal)...I can NEVER make it work, even with Stuart on LTIR and Holden and Mitchell gone for whatever.

That's with long-term deals for Barrie and MacK though. I guess if Barrie just continues on arbitration and MacK gets a bridge deal we can have more space but that is not IMO as healthy for the club's future as just hammering out long-term deals.

This line-up is still well over $3 million over the cap - and it's basically our team last year with a nice piece added on defense. I'm convinced we need to either move Varly (but that could be totally counter-productive) or find a taker for Iginla to really have any freedom to make upgrades on both side of center ice for this season. It's crazy how hamstrung this club is in terms of contracts and the cap in comparison to the poor on-ice results.

Here is this one, but I have Radulov, and a little less going to Greg, MacK, and Pickard. This is also with Holden moved out either in the same trade or a different one.

It's 'possible' but Mitchelle would likely have to go in mine to finally make it right. (Compher would have to center the 4th line, w/ someone like Skille being signed)

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (12)
Rightwing: A. Radulov ($6,000,000) - M. Rantanen ($894,167) - J. Iginla ($5,333,333) - J. Compher ($925,000)
Centre: N. MacKinnon ($6,000,000) - M. Duchene ($6,000,000) - C. Soderberg ($4,750,000) - J. Mitchell ($1,800,000)
Leftwing: M. Grigorenko ($1,000,000) - G. Landeskog ($5,571,429) - B. Comeau ($2,400,000) - C. McLeod ($1,333,333)

DEFENSE (8)
Right: E. Johnson ($6,000,000) - F. Beauchemin ($4,500,000) - T. Barrie ($6,000,000) - E. Gelinas ($1,575,000)
Left: C. Fowler ($4,000,000) - N. Zadorov ($894,167) - C. Bigras ($843,333) - D. Siemens ($900,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
S. Varlamov ($5,900,000) - C. Pickard ($1,000,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
NHL Salary Cap: $73,000,000
Cap Hit: $73,619,762
Cap Space: $-619,762

Greg, Pickard, and Skille don't have any leverage. Skille either stays at something like 750K (Which is a raise on his last contract) because he likes it here, or there should be cheaper options, like Martinsen.

 

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

If he's a 90-100 point player then he's going to be worth 10+ million, so I don't how that's relevant.

Of course it's relevant...unless, you're okay with spending 7-9 million on a 70-80 point player.

 

[tigervixxxen]

If you can sign MacKinnon for $6M - $7M long term, you have to take it. Even if he doesn't live up to it, it isn't a big deal. If he doesn't live up to it, we aren't going anywhere (past the 1st round) anyway and would have to start the rebuild again. Cap space wouldn't matter at that point.

Pretty much. Paying MacKinnon 1M more than he's worth in his early 20s won't be this team's problem. I know they can't just over pay everyone but for someone you no doubt want around then it's not going to be the problem.

 

[Foppa]

Here is this one, but I have Radulov, and a little less going to Greg, MacK, and Pickard. This is also with Holden moved out either in the same trade or a different one.

It's 'possible' but Mitchelle would likely have to go in mine to finally make it right. (Compher would have to center the 4th line, w/ someone like Skille being signed)

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (12)
Rightwing: A. Radulov ($6,000,000) - M. Rantanen ($894,167) - J. Iginla ($5,333,333) - J. Compher ($925,000)
Centre: N. MacKinnon ($6,000,000) - M. Duchene ($6,000,000) - C. Soderberg ($4,750,000) - J. Mitchell ($1,800,000)
Leftwing: M. Grigorenko ($1,000,000) - G. Landeskog ($5,571,429) - B. Comeau ($2,400,000) - C. McLeod ($1,333,333)

DEFENSE (8)
Right: E. Johnson ($6,000,000) - F. Beauchemin ($4,500,000) - T. Barrie ($6,000,000) - E. Gelinas ($1,575,000)
Left: C. Fowler ($4,000,000) - N. Zadorov ($894,167) - C. Bigras ($843,333) - D. Siemens ($900,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
S. Varlamov ($5,900,000) - C. Pickard ($1,000,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
NHL Salary Cap: $73,000,000
Cap Hit: $73,619,762
Cap Space: $-619,762

Greg, Pickard, and Skille don't have any leverage. Skille either stays at something like 750K (Which is a raise on his last contract) because he likes it here, or there should be cheaper options, like Martinsen.

I like it a lot.

 

[AslanRH]

Here is this one, but I have Radulov, and a little less going to Greg, MacK, and Pickard. This is also with Holden moved out either in the same trade or a different one.

It's 'possible' but Mitchelle would likely have to go in mine to finally make it right. (Compher would have to center the 4th line, w/ someone like Skille being signed)

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

FORWARDS (12)
Rightwing: A. Radulov ($6,000,000) - M. Rantanen ($894,167) - J. Iginla ($5,333,333) - J. Compher ($925,000)
Centre: N. MacKinnon ($6,000,000) - M. Duchene ($6,000,000) - C. Soderberg ($4,750,000) - J. Mitchell ($1,800,000)
Leftwing: M. Grigorenko ($1,000,000) - G. Landeskog ($5,571,429) - B. Comeau ($2,400,000) - C. McLeod ($1,333,333)

DEFENSE (8)
Right: E. Johnson ($6,000,000) - F. Beauchemin ($4,500,000) - T. Barrie ($6,000,000) - E. Gelinas ($1,575,000)
Left: C. Fowler ($4,000,000) - N. Zadorov ($894,167) - C. Bigras ($843,333) - D. Siemens ($900,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
S. Varlamov ($5,900,000) - C. Pickard ($1,000,000)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
NHL Salary Cap: $73,000,000
Cap Hit: $73,619,762
Cap Space: $-619,762

Greg, Pickard, and Skille don't have any leverage. Skille either stays at something like 750K (Which is a raise on his last contract) because he likes it here, or there should be cheaper options, like Martinsen.

Gonna have to get creative to take full advantage of the Stuart LTIR for that to work.

 

[hockeyfish]

Just say no to Fowler.

 

[CobraAcesS]

I like it a lot.

I guess the easiest thing to do in mine would be to send Gelinas to the AHL if you can't find a taker for Mitchell. That would clear enough cap space to get under. My guess is it wouldn't be impossible to find a taker for Mitchell though.

Iginla's contract is like that wound that refuses to heal for another year.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Gonna have to get creative to take full advantage of the Stuart LTIR for that to work.

Yeah but teams do that every year with bigger contracts than Stuarts (Not much, but they are larger)

Personally I think it would be stupid to keep Barrie if we went and got someone like Fowler though.

Just trade him for the #4 if you can, and roll with a good top four in that scenario.

Edit : Barrie + #10 + (Whatever small piece) for Fowler + #4

Now that is some damn fine GM work IMO. Which means it's not happening.

 

[Avs44]

Of course it's relevant...unless, you're okay with spending 7-9 million on a 70-80 point player.

Wait, you actually think if MacKinnon signs now, long term, he could get 9 million, or that that number would even be in the conversation?

 

[The Abusement Park]

Wait, you actually think if MacKinnon signs now, long term, he could get 9 million, or that that number would even be in the conversation?

Seriously, Mack, if given a long term deal, will be around 6-7 IMO. If he ends up a ~60 point player like Duchene than it's an overpay, but nothing drastic. If he does turn into a 90+ point player than he's on a steal of a contract.

 

[Balthazar]

Just say no to Fowler.

Could you guys give us details on what you don't like about Fowler?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Just say no to Fowler.

Fowler is a really good hockey player. Lindholm would obviously be better but that's not happening.

 

[Balthazar]

Well, nvm I found my own answer here:

http://thehockeywriters.com/ducks-cant-hesitate-to-trade-cam-fowler/

For those interested, read the "Fowler A Highly Flawed Player" part.