Rumor: Avs Proposals/Rumors/Free Agents 18-19 part X | Offseason Blues

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Thank you, I understand it's the off season and there's not much to talk about but 3-4 pages of Draisaitl proposals? The **** is going on here? Might as well spend the time arguing for a package for McDavid.

MacKinnon & McDavid at C would be pretty good.

There's been discussions about Drai long before the summer started.


And I dont even think its unrealistic to talk about him. Especially if the Oilers get off to a slow start again I have almost no doubt Chia wont be sitting around on his hands for long and Drai is a piece that he could move to make a shake up trade to try and get better.


Not saying its likely or anything, but I really dont think it's super far fetched either. It'd require an overpayment for them to move him but if some team offers one, and they start the year poorly I can see something happening.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Would Rick Nash have any interest in signing in Colorado for a year I wonder? I realize he’s a shade of his former self but he’s a very strong two way guy that can help insulate Jost.

Overpay him in actual dollars for a year so that there’s no NMC or NTC involved. Hopefully he helps us out. If we’re on the outside looking in at the deadline he can be shipped off without any restriction for a free asset.

I’m guessing if he continues playing he’d prefer to be out east but I’d like to take him for a year.

I've thought about the same thing, especially because I think they scouted him ahead of the tdl, but I'd imagine it would have happened by now. Sakic might also not be interested in bringing in any kind of old time vet. He seems very committed to the idea of letting the youth continue to lead them out of the basement.

I think it would be different now and especially on a 1 year deal, but some fans might react the same way lol.

 

[agentblack]

Have a feeling neither party is interested but lets just say they are
Id be down for a year of Nash, he may be breaking down but it would still put the opposition on notice a bit. And our 2nd pp unit would be much improved

 

[Pokecheque]

It really isnt. But I'm not about to get into this debate again. Some people just over value our players a tonne. It is what it is.

And some people overvalue other players a ton.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

And some people overvalue other players a ton.

Except in this case. Where folks are underrating the value of Draisaitl, or overvaluing Tyson Jost/1st Round picks. Probably a little bit of both.

 

[CobraAcesS]

Except in this case. Where folks are underrating the value of Draisaitl, or overvaluing Tyson Jost/1st Round picks. Probably a little bit of both.

I don't think a certain amount of posters here will be ready for that trade until Makar or others make the roster, and I get that. I'd do it a little early for the right player though.

That is not me saying we can trade Barrie because so and so either.. It's just me willing to take the risk for the right trade.

 

[Foppberg]

There's been discussions about Drai long before the summer started.


And I dont even think its unrealistic to talk about him. Especially if the Oilers get off to a slow start again I have almost no doubt Chia wont be sitting around on his hands for long and Drai is a piece that he could move to make a shake up trade to try and get better.


Not saying its likely or anything, but I really dont think it's super far fetched either. It'd require an overpayment for them to move him but if some team offers one, and they start the year poorly I can see something happening.

And they would be beyond idiotic to do that. I really think it's a fantasy for people to actually believe he would be the one they move.

 

[Postanin CB Ting]

Drai is pretty much perfect to fill our biggest need, sadly don't see him being traded.

If Jost doesn't work at 2C this year (I have serious doubts he will). We have to make a big move for a C next summer unless Ottawa's pick blesses us.

If EJ gets hurt again, and Barrie/Z play well as our top pair I'm down to re-sign Barrie to his high ~8 mil.

FA scares me a bit.. I'd do Jost + 1st +? For a big C next summer. I guess with Barrie staying, the extra + might be EJ?

A lot to give up but Im on the side of contending teams have a great 1 - 2 punch down the middle.

 

[Raucherhusten]

I think the Oilers will move 6 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins's before they even think about moving the German "Wunderkind".

 

[Ivan13]

To quote myself from the main boards:

Didn't he get like 20 games at 2nd line center after RNH moved to McDavid line and scored to the tune of 50 some points over that time- and 4 of those point came on the PP where he played with McDavid, so prorated he scored at around 37 point pace at ES away from 97?

Without McDavid Draisaitl posts barely 50% at SF%, 42% at GF%, barely 50% at CF%, net negative CF% of 49% and hdcf of 47%.
In 16/17 those numbers were even worse when he was well below the median in every category away from McDavid, with McDavid he is positive in every single category, so do tell how is that possible if McDavid doesn't significantly affect how Leon looks and performs on the ice?

So do tell me more about how we undervalue him and how he is worth Ty^2 + a 1st rounder.

 

[Cypher]

Wonder if the Avs bring anybody in on PTOs.... Wouldn't mind giving Jurco a look, or even our old buddy Matthias

 

[Drury_Sakic]

Wonder if the Avs bring anybody in on PTOs.... Wouldn't mind giving Jurco a look, or even our old buddy Matthias

Avs desperately need to bring in a face-off specialist or two on PTOs. Could be a center, could be a winger, does not really matter as long as they are dependable on face-offs. Even if they start the year as a 4th line player and eventually get pushed out of the lineup. A good locker room guy that can win draws would be a huge boost to the roster.

Lando was the only guy on the roster over 50%.....

Mac 45%
Soda 42%
Compher 39%
Kerfoot 39%
Jost 38%

is just rotten. And the other guys who took draws averaged in the 40-42% range.

I cannot believe that Sakic has not done something to address that in free agency thus far. Even if it was just adding a depth winger that knows how to win a face-off. (Calvert was 25% if you are curious)

The young guys will improve with experience and coaching, but much more than a 4-5% improvement from the kids is probably not realistic in a one season turn around, meaning the team will still lose more face-offs than they win by a good margin.

 

[Pokecheque]

Wonder if the Avs bring anybody in on PTOs.... Wouldn't mind giving Jurco a look, or even our old buddy Matthias

No, NOT Jurco. f*** that moron. That idiot nearly cost the Avs the postseason.

I'd just as soon not have the Avs invite aging grinders, but that's pretty much the kind of player you invite on a PTO. Winnik would be my first choice, followed by Wingels, then maybe Chiasson. But I think the Avs have enough depth to enter the season with. Hopefully they hired a faceoff coach.

 

[Avs_19]

I believe MacKinnon will bounce back in that area. He improved on faceoffs every single season up until last year when he was terrible. I still think the new faceoff rules messed him up because I can't think of another good reason why he dropped almost 10%.

 

[UncleRisto]

Let's not get any marginal energy guys for Bednar to fall in love with. Faceoff guy if anything, if that’s even a possibility.

 

[Foppa2118]

I believe MacKinnon will bounce back in that area. He improved on faceoffs every single season up until last year when he was terrible. I still think the new faceoff rules messed him up because I can't think of another good reason why he dropped almost 10%.

He's got to put in the work and drill the hell out of it though. That's the only way you get better at faceoffs. Hopefully he's finding some time in between workouts with Sid. He'd be a great guy to learn from.

 

[Pokecheque]

I don't think there's any desperation, or really any urgency, to bring in a faceoff guy. It definitely needs to be addressed somehow but it's not worth bringing in some Zenon Konopka guy who's dominant the moment the puck drops and completely useless there afterwards. And past attempts to bring in that very guy by this franchise have not exactly gone well.

 

[RoyIsALegend]

Nick Shore?

25 years old, right-handed, 6'1", plays center, and born in... Denver, Colorado. Ex-Pioneer. Chambers would die.

Last season was the first year he was under 50%. 50.2%, 51.8%, and 53.8% in the three seasons before. 19 points in 64 games last year. Solid bottom 6 guy, still unsigned.

Side note... he has never been recorded as officially having smiled.

(far right)

His reaction if we sign him to a $10m contract:

 

[Murzu]

Is Vermette still legit bottom 6 player? He is an awesome faceoff guy but getting old.

 

[Pokecheque]

Is Vermette still legit bottom 6 player? He is an awesome faceoff guy but getting old.

Naw, he's done. He's also 36 so eff that.

Shore would actually be a better choice, statistically speaking, than Bourque.

 

[Foppa2118]

Nick Shore wasn't qualified by LA, and is still unsigned too. He's a prime candidate for a camp PTO.

No real reason not to invite him IMO. He's not really a faceoff specialist but he's better than anyone else on the Avs right now, and can be a good PKer as well. Which is something the Avs need to have options for with Comeau leaving. Can chip in 15-20 points in a limited role as well.

Avs should be high on his list anyway with his Denver ties. I don't know if Nick does, but I know some of the Shore's still train in Colorado in the off-season anyway.

At worst he'll push Toninato to bring his best game, which is one of the main reasons the Avs bring in these tryouts. Shore's got a pretty good shot to outplay him in camp though, and lock down a spot like Skille and Bourque did in similar roles. The Avs just aren't that great at drafting and developing bottom sixers to have a lot of competition there.

 

[McMetal]

I'm not sure bringing in a "faceoff specialist" is necessary, even if we assume we can get one. That can be fixed by coaching, and really doesn't have THAT much of an in-game impact. I'm hardly an analytics guy, but we were the best faceoff team in the league by a wide margin in 16-17, that should tell you something about how important they are.

As long as you can get something close to 50% you'll be fine, and considering that Jost, Kerfoot, Toninato and Compher were rookies last year, they have lots of room to grow on that front. I'm sure the coaching staff is going to work on that with them to resolve the problem, but bringing in a body to take a roster spot JUST to fix something that's not very important seems like overkill.

 

[The Abusement Park]

Nick Shore wasn't qualified by LA, and is still unsigned too. He's a prime candidate for a camp PTO.

No real reason not to invite him IMO. He's not really a faceoff specialist but he's better than anyone else on the Avs right now, and can be a good PKer as well. Which is something the Avs need to have options for with Comeau leaving. Can chip in 15-20 points in a limited role as well.

Avs should be high on his list anyway with his Denver ties. I don't know if Nick does, but I know some of the Shore's still train in Colorado in the off-season anyway.

At worst he'll push Toninato to bring his best game, which is one of the main reasons the Avs bring in these tryouts. Shore's got a pretty good shot to outplay him in camp though, and lock down a spot like Skille and Bourque did in similar roles. The Avs just aren't that great at drafting and developing bottom sixers to have a lot of competition there.

My buddy grew up playing against the Shore kids. Always said Quentin was the best, but he probably had the least translatable game.

 

[Balthazar]

Nick Shore wasn't qualified by LA, and is still unsigned too.

He got moved to Ottawa last year in the Phaneuf trade then traded again to Calgary for a 7th pick 2 weeks later. He isn't very good, especially for a guy in his prime. I'd rather pass.

 

[Pokecheque]

Actually, he's a decent defensive forward. Better than Bourque to say the least. The new braintrust in L.A. doesn't seem to value that kind of player anymore (they dumped Dwight King like a bad habit even though he's still a good player). The league as a whole doesn't value defensive forwards as a whole, they're much more valuable than your average plug/grinder. Of course Tampa did their homework and due diligence and signed Erik Condra, and his play promptly fell off a cliff.