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McMetal said:
I'm not sure bringing in a "faceoff specialist" is necessary, even if we assume we can get one. That can be fixed by coaching, and really doesn't have THAT much of an in-game impact. I'm hardly an analytics guy, but we were the best faceoff team in the league by a wide margin in 16-17, that should tell you something about how important they are.

As long as you can get something close to 50% you'll be fine, and considering that Jost, Kerfoot, Toninato and Compher were rookies last year, they have lots of room to grow on that front. I'm sure the coaching staff is going to work on that with them to resolve the problem, but bringing in a body to take a roster spot JUST to fix something that's not very important seems like overkill.
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While I agree that F/Os are not that important. Boy did it help against Nashville the one or two games in the playoffs that we actually did well in the dot.

It might even of been one important period lol, but I remember something to that effect standing out.
 
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He got moved to Ottawa last year in the Phaneuf trade then traded again to Calgary for a 7th pick 2 weeks later. He isn't very good, especially for a guy in his prime. I'd rather pass.
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Good call I forgot about that. Calgary was the one that didn't qualify him then.

I think he's a tweener NHL, that can be a solid addition and fill a role full time on the right team. There's a lot of guys like that who may not be able to stick in the NHL with certain teams, but can carve out a role on another.

Chris Wagner's another example of that. I always liked his game for a 4th liner, but he just didn't fit Bednar's system.
 
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McMetal said:
I'm not sure bringing in a "faceoff specialist" is necessary, even if we assume we can get one. That can be fixed by coaching, and really doesn't have THAT much of an in-game impact. I'm hardly an analytics guy, but we were the best faceoff team in the league by a wide margin in 16-17, that should tell you something about how important they are.

As long as you can get something close to 50% you'll be fine, and considering that Jost, Kerfoot, Toninato and Compher were rookies last year, they have lots of room to grow on that front. I'm sure the coaching staff is going to work on that with them to resolve the problem, but bringing in a body to take a roster spot JUST to fix something that's not very important seems like overkill.
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Faceoffs can have huge impacts on key moments in games. If those key moments happen in key games they can have a big impact on your season, or your playoff run.

There is no key moment stat, so this is why there isn't always a correlation between faceoffs and winning/losing teams. They matter in a handful of games, and don't in like 7o+. The games down the stretch in a playoff race, and especially once you're in the playoffs tend magnify the importance of key moments, but you don't see that represented in stats.

It's not a huge deal if they don't bring someone in to help with faceoffs, but if they're cheap, why not? I think Kamenev could start the season as #4C, but I don't think he'll be there for long. They don't want him playing there long, and I think he'll warrant moving up with his play.

If they bring in someone like Shore, or someone else, they can be a scratch until there's an injury or Kamenev moves up. Bringing someone in will really push Kamenev, Toninato, and Beaudin in camp I think, and that's a good thing. All of them could benefit from that push with callups later in the season.
 
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Im not sure how i feel about the F/O thing, i mean you dont need to be a top top dog in that dept to win but it just looks terrible being last, if we be in the middle percentage wise with the Bostons, SJ, and Caps it could really help our 5 on 5 goal production
But im not sure bringing in someone who just does that will do anything unless they are some jack of all trades like a Beagle
It needs to get better, not something to freak out about but it def. should be on the list for the coming year
 
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I expect us to be better on the dot next year anyway. Mackinnon has been around 50% for his career, he just had a really bad year last year. I think he should bounce back in that regard. And we had a few really young Centers last year and winning Face-Offs in the NHL might be one of the most obvious skills in the league that you get better at as you age. As a rookie you dont really know all the little secrets of the face-off that you can get away with at the NHL level to help win draws but you learn them with experience. It's why almost every rookie Center ever has really bad face-off percentages when they start but gradually improve over time.


I'd expect Jost, Compher, and Kerfoot to all be better this year. That's not to say I think we'll be above 50% or anything but I think we should be out of the basements and closer to the league average.
 
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Pierce Hawthorne said:
I expect us to be better on the dot next year anyway. Mackinnon has been around 50% for his career, he just had a really bad year last year. I think he should bounce back in that regard. And we had a few really young Centers last year and winning Face-Offs in the NHL might be one of the most obvious skills in the league that you get better at as you age. As a rookie you dont really know all the little secrets of the face-off that you can get away with at the NHL level to help win draws but you learn them with experience. It's why almost every rookie Center ever has really bad face-off percentages when they start but gradually improve over time.


I'd expect Jost, Compher, and Kerfoot to all be better this year. That's not to say I think we'll be above 50% or anything but I think we should be out of the basements and closer to the league average.
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Oh definitely, plus the vets know each other and how they take draws, on both sides of the ice, they know how certain refs drop the pucks for chrissakes. Finally getting good at faceoffs is probably like that scene in Spiderman where he finds out he has 500 different web shooter combinations, theres hundreds of tricks you just have to learn over time.
 
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Mackinnon probably took a lot more weak side faceoffs last year than usual which surely affected his numbers. I know Landy takes strong side draws in the Ozone but I think that’s about it. Mackinnon takes everything else. In previous seasons he spent a fair bit of time with Duchene where they split strong side face offs evenly.
 

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Do you have a better one?
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