Dreger: "Auston Matthews 100% is not going anywhere."

[NyQuil]

If you can get Matthew Tkachuck locked up you give up Sanderson you 100%.

MVP calibre player for a POTENTIAL number one.

It certainly looks that way now.

We'll see what happens with Sanderson.

 

[The90]

What team would he play for if at $15 mil?
A team like Florida, Dallas, Nashville, Seattle or Tampa?
Is he getting majority of money in signing bonuses or salary?

Toronto will likely pay most of it in signing bonus, they already pay half of their caps worth ($41.5 mil) to players in signing bonus money. That is the Leafs single biggest advantage/incentive for keeping players in Toronto.

That. And they’re a good team. In the biggest market. That was the childhood favourite team of almost all Ontario born kids. Also provides endorsements and a platform to expand your brand. How many players have signed a 1-3 year ‘prove it’ type deals in Toronto and cashed in elsewhere?

....and still nobody wants to play in Canada! LOL!

Bit ironic to say in the thread of an American who wants to play in Canada don’t you think?

 

[thehoffs]

Sanderson is our future #1 defenceman with a lot of career ahead of him.

I think Tkachuk is awesome but I can’t see us giving up that kind of asset with that much control left.

I think there’s a lot of wishful thinking in terms of getting the brothers together.

Anyway, I don’t recall hearing any rumours to that effect on our side. Could be wrong.

At the time Sanderson was only a prospect. Your #1 would have been Chabot.

To say you wouldn’t give up Sanderson and Pinto for Tkachuk is just absurd. Every GM makes that deal.

It wasn’t taken as it was purely futures as neither player was really proven.

 

[The90]

I'm totally fine being called out when wrong, not sure im wrong in this thread though.
You and a small group clearly attacked some of my opinions (FLA > TOR) just a year ago and that's why you were called out.
It is what it is.

You’re the montreal fan of lay off season bud. You think your team wasn’t propped up by a sick goaltending performance, timely goals and bounces. Better than Montreal was a couple years ago, but not many would consider it likely for them to get to the conference finals again. Unless you’re an unabashed homer of course.

 

[NyQuil]

At the time Sanderson was only a prospect. Your #1 would have been Chabot.

To say you wouldn’t give up Sanderson and Pinto for Tkachuk is just absurd. Every GM makes that deal.

It wasn’t taken as it was purely futures as neither player was really proven.

So they just imagined up the players and the team based on the fact that it was a deal involving "futures"?

 

[TheImpatientPanther]

You’re the montreal fan of lay off season bud. You think your team wasn’t propped up by a sick goaltending performance, timely goals and bounces.
Better than Montreal was a couple years ago, but not many would consider it likely for them to get to the conference finals again. Unless you’re an unabashed homer of course.

@Rob Brown, see this is another one of the group that usually singles me out.
He's lashing out now because they know they were wrong as well.
It's all good, let it out, not good to bottle up the pain or disappointment of your opinions about your team and players.

Create a thread if you want to further discuss Panthers and Leafs.

I'm still thinking 5 yrs X $13.34 million for AM34

 

[JAS 39 Gripen]

I wonder how countries rank in safety if you only consider those who live in high-end suburbs and go to private schools.

I don’t think it’s a wild guess that America still ranks outside top 50 considering all their guns and other social and political issues if you only count that…..which would be very weird considering pretty much anyone can get gunned down at a shopping mall, schools, kindergarten etc in the US it seems

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

8x$13M = $104M
7x$15M = $105M

Tax probably doesn't matter, since Matthews probably has his primary residence in Arizona.

Probably his biggest endorsements come from league-level major superstar stuff as opposed to local ads. I doubt there is going to be much difference in that wherever he goes. The little local stuff isn't enough to shift anything.

So in the end, it should just come down to... where does he WANT to play?

If I was him, I'd just play out my contract next season and let the offers roll in on July 1st, 2024 (with a shiny new $90M+ Cap). Including Toronto's offer. But why not collect all the options and see?

 

[Sabre the Win]

I hope he stays on the Leafs, he helps them choke in the playoffs. This is better for everyone.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I hope he stays on the Leafs, he helps them choke in the playoffs. This is better for everyone.

 

[Prestigeworldwide]

8x$13M = $104M
7x$15M = $105M

Tax probably doesn't matter, since Matthews probably has his primary residence in Arizona.

Probably his biggest endorsements come from league-level major superstar stuff as opposed to local ads. I doubt there is going to be much difference in that wherever he goes. The little local stuff isn't enough to shift anything.

So in the end, it should just come down to... where does he WANT to play?

If I was him, I'd just play out my contract next season and let the offers roll in on July 1st, 2024 (with a shiny new $90M+ Cap). Including Toronto's offer. But why not collect all the options and see?

Im pretty sure player taxes are paid on his NHL salary where he is playing(day to day, state to state etc) obviously the majority is from where their team is based out of. Not sure about endorsements, I would imagine where he primarily resides.

 

[Captain97]

Im pretty sure player taxes are paid on his NHL salary where he is playing(day to day, state to state etc) obviously the majority is from where their team is based out of. Not sure about endorsements, I would imagine where he primarily resides.

The signing bonuses have shenanigans though based on place of residence. And Matthews contract will be max signing bonuses

 

[Rob Brown]

@Rob Brown, see this is another one of the group that usually singles me out.
He's lashing out now because they know they were wrong as well.
It's all good, let it out, not good to bottle up the pain or disappointment of your opinions about your team and players.

Create a thread if you want to further discuss Panthers and Leafs.

I'm still thinking 5 yrs X $13.34 million for AM34

I still have no clue which posts of mine from 2 years ago you're referring to but it sounds to me like you take names and hold grudges. It's funny you tell people not to 'bottle it up' while you constantly reference people's posts from years ago that you didn't like.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Im pretty sure player taxes are paid on his NHL salary where he is playing(day to day, state to state etc) obviously the majority is from where their team is based out of. Not sure about endorsements, I would imagine where he primarily resides.

Oh for sure, 41 game days in Toronto at 10% higher tax is still something. It's like 11% of the year at a 10% higher tax rate, which is still a 1% difference overall, which is still $1M out of $100M. So it's not nothing. But it's probably not enough to be a major driver?

 

[Breakers]

Im sticking with $52 million over 4 years (13X4)
pure signing bonuses with 775K in salary

re-enters for the final 8 year mammoth

 

[thehoffs]

that would be fun to watch

Ottawa would be pushing for deep playoff runs for the next 4-8 years. I also think the brothers would have loved playing together as the entire family is close.

So they just imagined up the players and the team based on the fact that it was a deal involving "futures"?

The Ottawa Deal was Sanderson Pinto and a 2nd round pick.

A deal from Carolina offered almost all draft capital.

The deals were all discussed by Flames insiders. People who are invited to their alumni dinners heard a lot more.

The Florida trade was not welcomed by any of the box owners I know off that attend their alumni dinners.

Everyone was pissed as the St Louis deal was clearly the best offer.

The problem was the St Louis deal the second rumoured piece was Tarasenko and the flames management team wanted no part of that.

ST LOUIS was Tarasenko plus one of Kyrou or Thomas for Tkachuk with either a 3rd round pick or C type prospect.

The flame’s specifically wanted 1-2 players, a decent prospect and a reasonably pick.

Everyone at the time said Tkachuk didn’t have this value. Flames fans said all along the only players in the league with more value were possibly McDavid Mackinnon and even Matthews value is likely even with Tkachuk.

People seem to forget. 24 year old Tkachuk on a fresh and reasonable 8 year contract.

100 point players like Tkachuk don’t grow on trees.

Treliving rushed the return.

The alumni dinner a lot of the flames supporters were even asking why the flames did not offer Tkachuk 12+ million as well as the Captaincy.

Tkachuk was pissed that Treliving wouldn’t discuss the 8 year deal when he signed the previous contract. Treliving is always concerned about shaving 0.25 to 1.00m off a contracts AAV. All it does is piss off your premium players.

Tkachuk should have been a flames for life.

Fact is we will see flames fans no longer wanting them drafting US kids as a result.

Im sticking with $52 million over 4 years (13X4)
pure signing bonuses with 775K in salary

re-enters for the final 8 year mammoth

13x4… keep wishing.

Try average 15 x 8 if not 16 x 8 if Treliving wants to keep him.

Chicago will give him that same contract.

McDavid could literally ask for a blank check and every team in the league would comply and Matthews quite frankly is close.

You think he played in Europe in his draft year for no reason? It’s all about $$$.

 

[junyab]

Oh for sure, 41 game days in Toronto at 10% higher tax is still something. It's like 11% of the year at a 10% higher tax rate, which is still a 1% difference overall, which is still $1M out of $100M. So it's not nothing. But it's probably not enough to be a major driver?

Players playing in Canada benefit immensely from an investment vehicle called a Retirement Compensation Arrangement, which largely evens the playing field vs low US income tax rates.

The RCA: Helping Professional Hockey Players Pay Substantially Less Income Tax - GBL

Taxes are said to be one of the things that are certain in life, and professional hockey players sure do pay a lot of them. As the National Hockey League (NHL) crowns the Colorado Avalanche as the 2022 Stanley Cup Champions, this signals the start of an off-season where players will have the...

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[Breakers]

13x4… keep wishing.

Try average 15 x 8 if not 16 x 8 if Treliving wants to keep him.

Chicago will give him that same contract.

McDavid could literally ask for a blank check and every team in the league would comply and Matthews quite frankly is close.

You think he played in Europe in his draft year for no reason? It’s all about $$$.

LOLOL
a 27% jump in salary from the last highest contract

you're clueless

 

[LeonDraisaitl]

I never for once thought he would be moved this summer to be honest

 

[LosPollosHermanos]

Riiiight. He's definitely leaving that shithole Toronto...
"Auston Matthews is 100% not going anwhere...(this year)"

 

[JianYang]

If Dreger says 100%, I believe it.

This guy often serves up so many nothing burgers, and is never this dinfitive, so he really must be positive about this.

I never really heard Matthews wanted to leave from any credible source. I think it just became a cult like meme around here due to the consistent playoff failures.

And when you look at it money wise, I remember reading a good article about how Matthews contract in Canada is basically taxed at the same rate as if he played in the US.

 

[MardyBum]

I'll say 13.5×3, including this coming season he gets his last big long term extension going into his 30's.

 

[rojac]

I'll say 13.5×3, including this coming season he gets his last big long term extension going into his 30's.

This coming season, 2023-24, is the last year of his current deal. It cannot be replaced by a new deal. Any new deal has to start in 24-25.

 

[Brew]

Every reporter reporting on Matthews: “he’s going nowhere!”.

Everyone on Reddit and HF: “but where is he going!?”.

 

[Homesick]

Should be less on a short term deal if anything. The leafs would be doing him a favor by giving him a chance for one more big contract in his early 30s instead of matthews just accepting max term into his mid 30s. Mathews is clearly chasing money by timing his next deal at that age, so he should be leaving something on the table in exchange for that.

He shouldn't gamble on being healthy enough for a fourth contract